The first step to take away our guns by the despicable, gun grabbing socialists now in control of this country. This might just be the spark that ignites the powder keg.

It would require the owner, current or future, of any handgun or any semi-automatic rifle capable of accepting a detachable magazine to obtain a license to own the firearm.

The bill is very specific on hoops that would have to be jumped through--there are far too many to list here.

It looks to me to be a very effective way of turning gun owners into criminals--fail to comply, they get to take away your guns and you can't legally get any more.

This will be promoted as "common sense" regulation for the "common good and safety"

This is the first direct assault on the second amendment of this congress, it needs to be stopped right now. It's time we put our feet down now and put an end to this madness. Ballot box or cartridge box.

Here is the bill:

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Please note, all you Federal types, that I am addressing this subject as a "hypothetical query into a conjectured / possible future event". The use of "you & I " ect ect will be to make the narrative more understandable and coherent to the reader.
Argument being:
At some point the confiscation of "civilian weapon" will be authorized by the U.S. Government through the basis of Constitutionally un-Lawfull legislation, passed by Congress or Executive Orders from the desk of " The One". You and I will be the primary mission targets for the Federal / Homeland Security & BATF teams to pacify. We and other folks that have spoken out on this issue have made ourselves "targets of neccessity" for the gun-grabbers. Regardless of whether any particular individual has any intent to be a threat, they must take us all down - make us all into criminals, guilty of ignoring the legislation or confiscation order. If they don't break us early, the fight may very realistically go into the ditch and out of their ability to control. There are 'Nam vets, sport hunters/gunners, gunners that served in Grenada, Panama, Columbia, Slovenia and the on-going Sandwars that know how to take the fight into the weeds and into the streets. The powers that be know that and can't afford to let that happen. My assumption is that they will be both ruthless and will field over-whelming force against the individuals they target. You and I.
The only safety would be to organize and to be prepared to provide immediate assistance to the first individuals to be targeted "as examples" by the folks that will be working for the "gun-grabbers". If your neighbors/compatriots can not rely on your immediate, absolute support in such a circumstance, all our talk will be smoke and ashs on the wind. God willing it won't ever come to those straits; but if it does - what will you do. If it is you, that is one of the initial primary targets, it may a moot point - unless your support team moves with speed and alacrity. Please note that the BATF has a history of killing the witness pool, during the majority of it's sanctioned "heavy operations". They are not nice people; kinda like me in some ways.
I'm gettin old and cranky myself - I never expected to live forever anyway. The rest of you folks may very well be as - or more aware of the risks the future holds than myself. But, if you haven't thought it through, you need to do that. This is a crazy time and the risks are real.
By virtue of an individual publicly stating that they can concieve, of being forced to defend themselves from violations of the U.S. Constitution, by the U.S. Government - that individual places himself outside the pale and could be addressed by the Homeland Security dweebs as an actionable threat.
End of Conjecture

As for myself, Dwain Cleveland - anyone that wants my weapons will need to come ready to rock and in numbers sufficient to getter done..
What if the Joint operating environment report is true and Mexico collapses into civil war this year?

The sad thing about it, you can see it coming.

How Long Do We Have?
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government."

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."
">From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years"

"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. from dependence back into bondage"

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29

Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1
rofessor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..." Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition o f democr acy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

We have allowed ourselves to be forced into asking permission from Government to go buy a gun from a store, I have to get a license to travel freely, I have to get a license to fish and hunt, I will soon have to register all my farm animals, I must get permission to build on my own land, tax license tax license tax license tax license. I believe that we're already at a point of dependence. For many of us, it is a wholly FORCED dependence because we are not yet ready to become outlaws; however, a dependence nonetheless. I believe we're seeing the culmination of a plan that's been in action for over a century, to bring this Nation back under the jackboot of bondage, and then, World "Unification".

Of course, maybe I'm just paranoid.
Did you know that to this day, there are still fresh flowers laid on the old marker each day.

The same is done at the site of Julius Caesar's assassination in Rome.

Just trivia.

As for my guns - molon labe. I don't know the Greek word for 'try' - Come and try to get them.
Give the bullets first. One at a time or rapid fire.
This is My stand,also.If We have not the time to organize a competant resistance
before the powers that be go on a "confiscation" rampage,then they shall see a "rampage"
of My Own,and I will take as many of them with Me as humanly possible.
Let 'em bring it,and I will sing it,until My voice is silenced.
I will make my stand with what I have, keep your powder dry boys.
H.R. 45 - Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009

Put forth by Rep. Bobby Rush [D-IL] - From what I can find out - there are no current cosponsors.
That's the 1st District of Illinois by the way.

You can let him know how you feel right here
This was sent to me by my friend from USCCA... Read this then ask yourself... should I carry 24/7..?

After getting out of the military in the mid seventies I took a sales job with a company that sold steel products to the construction industry. In the course of about 3 weeks in 1978 I was forced to draw a firearm to protect myself on two different occasions.

I covered 13 states by car and normally spent several nights a week in hotels. It was lonely work and nights were normally spent in my hotel room. I was raised in a military family and grew up shooting a .45 ACP 1911. It was my weapon of choice and I purchased a new Colt Commander when I got my first traveling job.

I used to take it with me on the road for protection and for entertainment. I would look for indoor pistol ranges in the various cities that I traveled to and would normally shoot at least once a week. In 1978 my company hired another salesman and he traveled with me for a two week training period.

One night in Monroe, Louisiana we returned to the hotel from dinner and as we were getting out of the car the trainee asked to borrow the car to go to the drug store for some cold medicine. I was in a dilemma. My pistol was loaded and under the driver's seat and I was not willing to let him take the car with the pistol.

I told him O.K. but quickly took the pistol and slid it into my pants in the small of my back underneath my sports coat. He left and I started walking to my room. I stopped in the lobby to get a cup of coffee and then headed across the lawn to my room on the inner courtyard. This was long before any teaching on awareness level but I would have classified myself that night as condition 'white'.

As I walked I was slightly surprised by a man who came up on my right and started up a conversation. We said a few words and then I continued to my room, opened the door and went in to put my coffee down. As I put it down it dawned on me that the door had not shut. I turned to push it closed and found the man I had talked with standing in my room with a look that spoke 'trouble'.

Instinctively, I reached back, drew my pistol and pointed it right at his chest. The click of the safety coming off sounded loud in the room. Before I could say a word, his demeanor changed and he blurted out, "I think I'm in the wrong room". He turned, grabbed the door handle and was gone.

I was stunned and it took me several minutes to calm down.

Three weeks later, in a Memphis, Tennessee hotel room, I was awakened around midnight by someone knocking loudly on the door. As I looked through the peephole I saw a woman dressed in an open blouse and skin tight shorts. In very seductive language she implied that I had asked her up for a good time.

This time my awareness jumped immediately to orange. I retrieved my pistol from the bedside table. On a hunch I went to the other side of the room and peered out of the window from around the curtain. A huge man stood in front of the window with a baseball bat in his hand, waiting for me to open the door.

I pulled the curtain back enough for the man to see me hold up the pistol and again snap off the safety. His eyes got very big, but he showed no fear. He walked up to the woman grabbed her arm and they simply walked off. In both cases I reported the incident to the hotel management.

Both apologized and said that sort of thing just never happens in their hotel. I wasn't convinced and went home and asked my boss for a larger daily hotel allowance.

I'm considerably older now but as I look back on those experiences I can see that was the time that I got serious about protecting myself and my family.

By the way, my late father-in-law was robbed in that same Memphis hotel a month later.

-John M. L., Cypress, TX
Help is mentioned HR 17. The battle goes on .
Text of H.R.17
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HR 17 IH


1st Session

H. R. 17

To protect the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right.


January 6, 2009

Mr. BARTLETT introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary



To protect the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

This Act may be cited as the ‘Citizens’ Self-Defense Act of 2009’.

The Congress finds the following:

(1) Police cannot protect, and are not legally liable for failing to protect, individual citizens, as evidenced by the following:

(A) The courts have consistently ruled that the police do not have an obligation to protect individuals, only the public in general. For example, in Warren v. District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Department, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981), the court stated: ‘[C]ourts have without exception concluded that when a municipality or other governmental entity undertakes to furnish police services, it assumes a duty only to the public at large and not to individual members of the community.’.

(B) Former Florida Attorney General Jim Smith told Florida legislators that police responded to only 200,000 of 700,000 calls for help to Dade County authorities.

(C) The United States Department of Justice found that, in 1989, there were 168,881 crimes of violence for which police had not responded within 1 hour.

(2) Citizens frequently must use firearms to defend themselves, as evidenced by the following:

(A) Every year, more than 2,400,000 people in the United States use a gun to defend themselves against criminals--or more than 6,500 people a day. This means that, each year, firearms are used 60 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.

(B) Of the 2,400,000 self-defense cases, more than 192,000 are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse.

(C) Of the 2,400,000 times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, 92 percent merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8 percent of the time, does a citizen kill or wound his or her attacker.

(3) Law-abiding citizens, seeking only to provide for their families’ defense, are routinely prosecuted for brandishing or using a firearm in self-defense. For example:

(A) In 1986, Don Bennett of Oak Park, Illinois, was shot at by 2 men who had just stolen $1,200 in cash and jewelry from his suburban Chicago service station. The police arrested Bennett for violating Oak Park’s handgun ban. The police never caught the actual criminals.

(B) Ronald Biggs, a resident of Goldsboro, North Carolina, was arrested for shooting an intruder in 1990. Four men broke into Biggs’ residence one night, ransacked the home and then assaulted him with a baseball bat. When Biggs attempted to escape through the back door, the group chased him and Biggs turned and shot one of the assailants in the stomach. Biggs was arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon--a felony. His assailants were charged with misdemeanors.

(C) Don Campbell of Port Huron, Michigan, was arrested, jailed, and criminally charged after he shot a criminal assailant in 1991. The thief had broken into Campbell’s store and attacked him. The prosecutor plea-bargained with the assailant and planned to use him to testify against Campbell for felonious use of a firearm. Only after intense community pressure did the prosecutor finally drop the charges.

(4) The courts have granted immunity from prosecution to police officers who use firearms in the line of duty. Similarly, law-abiding citizens who use firearms to protect themselves, their families, and their homes against violent felons should not be subject to lawsuits by the violent felons who sought to victimize them.

(a) Reaffirmation of Right- A person not prohibited from receiving a firearm by Section 922(g) of title 18, United States Code, shall have the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms--

(1) in defense of self or family against a reasonably perceived threat of imminent and unlawful infliction of serious bodily injury;

(2) in defense of self or family in the course of the commission by another person of a violent felony against the person or a member of the person’s family; and

(3) in defense of the person’s home in the course of the commission of a felony by another person.

(b) Firearm Defined- As used in subsection (a), the term ‘firearm’ means--

(1) a shotgun (as defined in section 921(a)(5) of title 18, United States Code);

(2) a rifle (as defined in section 921(a)(7) of title 18, United States Code); or

(3) a handgun (as defined in section 10 of Public Law 99-408).

(c) Enforcement of Right-

(1) IN GENERAL- A person whose right under subsection (a) is violated in any manner may bring an action in any United States district court against the United States, any State, or any person for damages, injunctive relief, and such other relief as the court deems appropriate.

(2) AUTHORITY TO AWARD A REASONABLE ATTORNEY’S FEE- In an action brought under paragraph (1), the court, in its discretion, may allow the prevailing plaintiff a reasonable attorney’s fee as part of the costs.

(3) STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS- An action may not be brought under paragraph (1) after the 5-year period that begins with the date the violation described in paragraph (1) is discovered.
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