Well, the circus is in town and the players are showing their cards.

If you think for a minute that anything conservatives can do will ensure a win in the 2012 presidential race, you'd better climb out from under your soft space and take another look!

The GOP is split. Boehner is facing angry resentment from many for giving in to Reid. Gingrich and Perry both failed to get on a state ballot for primaries. Trump has changed parties, may still jump into the race as an Independent. New Hampshire Mayor will give illegals voting rights. Courts are still shielding Obama, because 'he was inaugurated and no one has standing to question it'. Holder playing the race card but doesn't really have to, the media will cover for him. More federal pressure dumped on Sheriff Joe Arpaio, and libs want to recall him. GOP establishment places Romney high on a pedestal. Polls showing obama regaining support.

Ain't it fun folks? The game goes on, nothing to worry about, it'll all work out in the end, won't it?

What we're seeing is the game of politics, one side against the other, but both with the same goals, to win at any cost, regardless of what the audience wants, for that's just what they think of us. We're the audience. We shout and rave, jump up and down, throw things around like little children, and sometimes even come out of the stands to get wild. But everything we do has no effect on the players, they just keep playing on, maybe changing the rules a little to make things easier. And of course, the media will tell us everything we need to know, in their opinion.

If this wasn't so serious, I could sit back and watch the game. Unfortunately, it ain't no game, it's for real, it will affect our lives, our children's lives, and their children's lives. So what do we do about it? What can we do about it?

For one thing, GET INVOLVED WITH THE PROCESS! Get on your local election board, become a precinct committee member, and get honesty and integrity restored at every voting place. Talk to your friends, co-workers, family, and get their attention! Make them aware of the seriousness of where America stands and what the results could be if we all let it happen. We don't have time to sit back and watch. Conservatives are split into several factions now, and if we can't pull them all back together in time, there's no hope of winning the 2012 elections. PFA, USPU, and VDA are just a few of the sites getting serious. But there are many others that might be, that we don't know about. Let's get them identified and get us all on the same page. We might have a chance if we can do that.

I'm getting very frustrated here, trying to come up with something, anything, that will turn on the lights and get everyone involved. Anybody have a good idea?????

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Clarence, that is the job of the citizen's militia! Contact them!


Cry, groan, bitch, moan, yell, scream, discuss, comtemplate... yeah, yeah, yeah...

The only decent idea I've read here is the one about Poll Watchers!



We need a purpose! 

We need a slogan! 

We need leadership! 

We need guidance! 

We need an advertising guy to run the show!

We need to get motivated!  



FIRST - Set up local meetings...

Collect contact info - hell what can they do to us?  Eat us?

Stay in touch with each other several times each week...

Share ideas...

Look for natural leadership, but if it doesn't appear, then trust your instincts... ASK THE GUY YOU LIKE!

Stash the thinks you'll need if things go bad... ammo, food, other necessities...

Get training with a firearm!  Practice!!!



OK... We're doing some of this, but we need to do more!



Again i ask. Give me a email address to reply to! I tried setting up a web page and no one came! Not even these vets! It's a shame that even us vets will let great country to to hell! I'm sick of it! Everyone is waiting for someone else to do it! As long as it doesn't effect their sports, useless t.v. and getting drunk and/or loaded maybe they will maybe listen. But to act!? Let someone else do it! Pretty pathetic!  Larry

Larry, the simplest way to contact folks on this board(and others), is to friend them, then send them a message, then get other private info.

Yeah, I know... work.


And a website isn't the answer right now.


That's the only way we can get motivated and organized!

We're not the 'protest Wall Street crowd'...

We don't text our next idea as we're driving down the street at 60 mph!


I sent you a friend request... Let's get it together dude!

All the best!


We Are America is a good web sight. You will get many sights off of it. I would like to help you physically, but after my last two accidents i'm not really together in my thinkin' part. I'm already confined to a power chair because of my pain/not being able to walk and my bad heart. I'm on lots of VA prescribed pain meds. But other than that i'm willing to help as much as i can. Regards, Larry

 If we don't get a (PEOPLES PRESIDENT ) this time around i think you know what comes next.

Twana, there is a new group up-&-coming---Article2SuperPac.---www.art2superpac.com

I have joined, been in touch with them and plan on having them on the radio show shortly after the 1st of the year.  Here is the link to the reply I got from Helen;


The 2008 elections were massively fraudulent, so much so that the usurper came to power even while many of us were screaming to high heaven that as a Kenyan son of a Kenyan, he was Constitutionally ineligible.

Now that the Democratic Socialists, SPLC, Act Ups, Move Ons, CAIR/ISNA/NOI/NBPP, and the Chicago Way are running the "game", the outcome in 2012 is inevitable and predetermined. If I were a Republican running for President, I'd take a pass on 2012 and wait for a more opportune time.

Please, please do not count on elections in 2012 to restore Constitutional government to Washington, D.C..

These people in power are criminals, communists, and anarchists, cooperating with Is|amist enemies of the United States, the U.S. Constitution, and America’s Christian heritage and way of life. The socialists and communists have been working since at least 1920 to overthrow the U.S. government and take control. Now they have control, with a Kenyan communist dictator in the Oval Office, the Conman-in-Chief ordering the U.S. Armed Forces to remove from the Arab states every obstacle to the Mus|im Brotherhood, a Democratic Socialist stronghold in the Senate, and everyone else afraid to say “Boo” for fear of being isolated, ostracized, persecuted, and sidelined from the political process (a.k.a. sausage-making).

They did not work and struggle and fight for 88 years to gain control, only to risk losing it in order to maintain an illusion of democracy and a facade of free and fair elections of representatives to govern the country as We the People’s stewards.

The Occupy demonstrations and trouble brewing withing the SEIU and other unions,
along with the AG Holder DOJ policy of not prosecuting non-white violators of election civil rights laws,
the DHS/ATF Fast & Furious project arming Mexican drug cartels with assault weapons and sniper rifles,
and the de facto amnesty of untold millions of illegal aliens - these are all signs that
the present usurpation is supporting riots and Katrina-style chaos to be unleashed during 2012.

On Nov. 28, 2011, the Senate began discussion and debate about S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act. Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham were promoting the section of the Defense Authorization Act which permanently suspends posse comitatus, as opposed to the present rule, which requires Congressional authorization for each incidence of the suspension of posse comitatus to allow the military to police or fight against U.S. civilians. On behalf of S.1867, “Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that the bill will ‘basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield’ and people can be imprisoned [by the military] without charge or trial, ‘American citizen or not.’”

When Nov. 6, 2012, draws near, we can expect martial law and suspension of the 2012 elections.


The NDAA for FY2012 includes Sec. 1032, the "indefinite detention of civilians -
U.S. citizens or legal residents - without trial or due process" section.

Can tyrants abuse that? Certainly. Will Mr. Obama abuse it? Time will tell.
But in an Alinskyite regime where intimidation rules, it's a very big stick.

U.S. Senate and House of Representatives wrote:
Sec. 1031(b)
COVERED PERSONS.—A covered person under this section is any person as follows:

  • (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks. 
  • (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

Sec. 1032(a)(2)
COVERED PERSONS.—The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined—

  • (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and 
  • (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

Sec. 1032(b)

  • (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States. 
  • (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

The operative word is "requirement", which is to say that the military is not required to detain U.S. citizens or legal residents. But nowhere does this bill deny that it "authorizes" and "permits" the military to detain any U.S. citizen or legal resident suspected of supporting hostilities by al Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces.

For the Washington Legislative Office of the ACLU, Chris Anders wrote:
Senators Demand the Military Lock Up American Citizens in a
“Battlefield” They Define as Being Right Outside Your Window

Nov 23rd, 2011 10:46am
by Chris Anders

While nearly all Americans head to family and friends to celebrate Thanksgiving, the Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.

Senators need to hear from you, on whether you think your front yard is part of a “battlefield” and [on whether] any president can send the military anywhere in the world to imprison civilians without charge or trial.

The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. Even Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) raised his concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night’s Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.

The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday. The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing. [With passage of the omnibus defense bill scheduled for Monday, Nov. 28, 2011, the bill had yet to be released for examination the day before.]

I know it sounds incredible. New powers to use the military worldwide, even within the United States? Hasn’t anyone told the Senate that Osama bin Laden is dead, that the president is pulling all of the combat troops out of Iraq and trying to figure out how to get combat troops out of Afghanistan too? And American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good idea? And why now?

The answer on why now is nothing more than election season politics. The White House, the Secretary of Defense, and the Attorney General have all said that the indefinite detention provisions in the National Defense Authorization Act are harmful and counterproductive. The White House has even threatened a veto [unless the bill gives the President the authority to choose whether to try each belligerent as a civilian or dispatch him to Gitmo]. But Senate politics has propelled this bad legislation to the Senate floor.

In support of this harmful bill, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that [S. 1867] will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial, “American citizen or not.” Another supporter, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.”

The solution is [to revise the provisions that permit the U.S. military to act against U.S. civilians.]

In response to proponents of the indefinite detention legislation who contend that the bill “applies to American citizens and designates the world as the battlefield,” and that the “heart of the issue is whether or not the United States is part of the battlefield,” Sen. Udall disagrees, and says that we can win this fight without worldwide war and worldwide indefinit....

The senators pushing the indefinite detention proposal have made their goals very clear that they want an okay for a worldwide military battlefield, that even extends to your hometown. That is an extreme position that will forever change our country.

Now is the time to stop this bad idea. Please urge your senators to vote [to amend] the National Defense Authorization / Appropriation Act.


In TEXAS counties, that notion went NOWHERE, they refuse to meet constituents about any issues in an OPEN FORUM, they don't want an OPEN FORUM. They don't even want to meet because they are scared of what the American might say to them or about their policy decisions in support of BO or lack to stand up to BO. This is what will get a whole lot removed from office, either through Fair elections or by the point of gun when the people finally get fed up with the BS or when "Martial Law" gets implemented...People are tired and pissed off and their threshold level is like mine, we are ready to MARCH, Locked and Loaded for BEAR, and not the four legged kind.

Stingray, Would the part time Congress with their offices located inside their respective districts assist in your idea? They could then have a weekly meeting to talk to their constituents either at a the office or at a townhall in another area of the district so that they were fully aware what the wishes of the electorate were.

Minuteman, are you going to submit the same post until you get it right, or is something else going on???

You OK?


Truck driving fool, if you say it, then you are right! Look, if you can't be there, then donate money to your local militia. They need all the help they can get! If you aren't willing to do that, then you won't be worht anything to Texas either!

Everyone QUIT WHINING! and do something constructive!




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