I have been listening to the reports, like many Americans on the shooting that took place in Pima AZ.
My prayers are with those who have lost a loved one and those who were injured in the shooting.
There are many points that are coming in that makes me really suspicious as to the motive.
While many are quick to call Loughner a deranged mad man, I can see a different side to this that presents evidence this is a tool being used for politics.
UPDATE
Before I get into the talking points though, I will redirect to remind you we have become more of a police state in the last 15 years and moreso in the last 10 than anytime in our history as a country.
With body Scanners brought to us. I question whether now we have had this shooting if we will begin to see body scanners at grocery stores and public facilities.
If our government is plotting to use mind reading devises
Homeland Security Detects Terrorist Threats by Reading Your Mind
Recently, in Hickory NC the police Dept purchased mobile sky towers and have placed them in locations such as walmart These stations are equipped with microphone cameras and even heat sensors that are capable to monitor someone up to a mile away.In Miami and Texas the police have been purchasing Drones which also have the capability of heat sensors and visual devises that can pin point a target using microphones and heat sensor devises that threaten an individuals right of privacy.
Due to the timing of the two crimes, (Wheeler and the AZ shooting)
I question whether the murder of John Wheeler III and the Arizona shooting have any common patterns that directly link to each other . (just going on a hunch- Knowing about our government and the politic behind psywars operations that is based at Ft Bragg NC)
I also question whether or not the AZ shooting was done through secret channels to pursue more laws that would magnify the scope of a police state and destroy the Constitution Just as was done during the Clinton years with the Brady Gun Law and the Anti terrorist Act that was passed by Congress while Newt Gingrich was Speaker of the House, after the OK City bombing.
I have read the affidavit that SA Tony M Taylor of the F-B-I submitted to the Mag Ct in AZ charging John Loughner. with some particular points in it
Some of these are very peculiar points that suggest to me Americans should be questioning whether this was a lone "deranged mad man".
Or if this was not some very well laid out and calculated "Black Op" that was done to instill hate and discord for Americans to surrender more of their rights as was done during the Clinton Administration with the Brady Gun law. and later during the Bush Administration with the Patriot Act
Several red flags are coming up
1 It is now known, Loughner worked for Gifford's election campaign in 2007
2 Gifford subscribed to Loughner's website since Oct. 25, 2010, suggests the two may have been in contact more recently.
3 She subscribed to only Loughner and one other person. Former Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., who lost his seat in November to Republican challenger Vicky Hartzler
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Did Giffords subscribe to assassin's YouTube? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId =249381#ixzz1Ae96xvcC
4 Loughner while he is exercising his right to remain silent, sheriff Dupnik is apparently using the press to suggest that is a bad thing.
Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Loughner was not cooperating and told ABC's "Good Morning America" the suspect had said "not a word" to investigators. Dupnik also said authorities were all but certain Loughner acted alone, saying "he's a typical troubled individual who's a loner."
5 Public defenders are asking that the attorney who defended Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Timothy McVeigh and "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski defend Jared Loughner
6 The "Person of Interest" in the AZ shooting, for no expressed reason is no longer being sought for questioning.
This takes me back to the McVeigh case there were some facts that were not released by the government. One of those is surrounding the mysterious "John Doe Number Two"
All this raises my suspicion we are witnessing a repeat of what Clinton years gave us. with ( the Anti Terrorist Act) And this was the first stage to bring us what became the Patriot Act).
I don't buy the lie about things being a coincidence!
The Obama advisor Robert Shapiro recently suggested (this past summer) Buried in a Financial Times article about Obama’s “growing credibility crisis” and fears on behalf of Democrats they could lose not only the White House but also the Senate to Republicans, Robert Shapiro mad it clear that Obama is relying on a surprise in the form of a terror attack to rescue his presidency.
“... Americans don’t believe in President Obama’s leadership,” said Shapiro, adding, “He has to find some way between now and November of demonstrating that he is a leader who can command confidence and, short of a 9/11 event or an Oklahoma City bombing, I can’t think of how he could do that.”
9/11 was obviously a ace-card in the Bush Administration’s public relations deck; the Oklahoma City Bombing bolstered Bill Clinton’s image for a second term. Would the Obama Administration use an attack any differently?Who orchestrates these talking points and baseless forecasts of terror?
Why did Republican Sen. Lindsay Graham simultaneously also cynically state that another terror attack is imminent?
I am doing some research and finding some interesting factors that are pointing to this being mot...ivited by politics..
Both Judge Roll and Gifford had a somewhat conservative relationship with many similar conservative ideas
Both were working on the overload of cases before the Ct Rolls was the chief justice of.
Both were proponents of the 2nd amendment.
Gifford even proposed cutting salaries of congress members and doing a pay freeze. ( Could all this be the motive?)
Can you say: Bigger government?
"We ought to take a look [at congressional members' security and personal spending accounts] rather than cut, cut, cut," Mr. Clyburn , the Democrat House's assistant minority leader from South Carolina, on "Fox News Sunday."
"We ought to take a look [at congressional members' security and personal spending accounts] rather than cut, cut, cut," Mr. Clyburn , the Democrat House's assistant minority leader from South Carolina, on "Fox News Sunday."
But there is more!
Giffords supported cutting the chamber's operating budget by 5 percent, which is expected to save roughly $35 million. Somethng that is considered a "Conservative approach"
Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said a woman, Patricia Maisch, waiting in line to meet Congresswoman Giffords lunged at the gunman's magazine as he was about to reload.....
(Apparently, This would suggest to me anyway, the weapon was no longer firing. and he had either dumped he first clip or was about to.)
"This is one of the most heroic acts I've ever seen," Dupnik said.
Then,( the next comment does not make sense)
(Apparently, This would suggest to me anyway, the weapon was no longer firing. and he had either dumped he first clip or was about to.)
"This is one of the most heroic acts I've ever seen," Dupnik said.
Then,( the next comment does not make sense)
The local sheriff said, the shooter inserted another magazine with 31 bullets, but it didn't fire. Two men then grabbed the gun from him.
So answer the New Magic bullet question:
How was Patricia Maisch Shot by Loughner if he was out of rounds? and his new clip did not fire?
So answer the New Magic bullet question:
How was Patricia Maisch Shot by Loughner if he was out of rounds? and his new clip did not fire?
Some of the Bills Mrs Gifford either co sponsored or supported.
This is what Gifford co sponsored or sponsored.
http://giffords.house.gov/ legis/bills.shtml
H.R.156 : Stop the Congressional Pay Raise Act
Gifford
...H.R.197 : National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2009
gifford
...H.R.233 : Railroad Antitrust Enforcement Act of 2009
Gifford
H. R. 314
To increase the number of Federal judgeships in certain judicial districts with heavy caseloads of criminal immigration cases
Gifford
H.R.422 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to extend the research credit through 2010 and to increase and make permanent the alternative simplified research credit.
H. R. 442
To provide an amnesty period during which veterans and their family members can register certain firearms in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, and for other purposes.
Gifford
This is what Gifford co sponsored or sponsored.
http://giffords.house.gov/ legis/bills.shtml
H.R.156 : Stop the Congressional Pay Raise Act
Gifford
...H.R.197 : National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2009
gifford
...H.R.233 : Railroad Antitrust Enforcement Act of 2009
Gifford
H. R. 314
To increase the number of Federal judgeships in certain judicial districts with heavy caseloads of criminal immigration cases
Gifford
H.R.422 : To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to extend the research credit through 2010 and to increase and make permanent the alternative simplified research credit.
H. R. 442
To provide an amnesty period during which veterans and their family members can register certain firearms in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, and for other purposes.
Gifford
Liberals would not like her!
The county is mostly Democrats even the sheriff Dupnik is Democrat Making it a plausible location for he media to suggest an attack were to look like it was conducted by "Tea Party activists"
http://www.pima.gov/electi ons/res1108.htm
The results of 2008 elections above
http://www.pima.gov/electi ons/res1108.htm
The results of 2008 elections above
Yet there is more
While the media and the government is presenting him as "Deranged" there are more peculiar similarities that suggest this was politically motivated by liberals.
Judge John Rolls.
Judge Rolls was on the bench and decided on the Mack v US case in 1994 where Clinton attempted to take weapons away from law abiding citizens.
Going back to the McVeigh case, there were long articles in leading newspapers like the New York Times dragging "angry white males" (critics of affirmative action) into this thing. A number of "domestic terrorism" bills were introduced in Congress in a matter of days, covering such topics as the banning of firearms to authorizing Federal wiretaps on private citizens and monitoring their activity on the Internet
The million dollar questions raised then ( and maybe should be raised now) : Was this a pre-arranged and carefully organized response to a tragedy deliberately planned at the highest centers of power to discredit the militia movement and other critics of the federal government’s progressive abandonment of Constitutional government?
Was it part of the ongoing campaign to disarm U.S. citizens through so-called gun control laws? Did the federal government sacrifice some of its own employees (and their children) and ruin the lives of many other people just to discredit its critics?
After Waco, Tim went to Arizona to live with his old army buddy Mike Fortier. Tim began experimenting with pot and 'speed'. This part of his life is well documented as well. He attended many gun shows, selling mostly maps, T-shirts, books, and survival type gear.
From a gun show he attended in Tulsa, he got an invitation to join Roger Moore and his girlfriend on a ranch near Royal, Arkansas. Moore had a lot of money and Tim gathered a lot of information about the militant movement there
The million dollar questions raised then ( and maybe should be raised now) : Was this a pre-arranged and carefully organized response to a tragedy deliberately planned at the highest centers of power to discredit the militia movement and other critics of the federal government’s progressive abandonment of Constitutional government?
Was it part of the ongoing campaign to disarm U.S. citizens through so-called gun control laws? Did the federal government sacrifice some of its own employees (and their children) and ruin the lives of many other people just to discredit its critics?
After Waco, Tim went to Arizona to live with his old army buddy Mike Fortier. Tim began experimenting with pot and 'speed'. This part of his life is well documented as well. He attended many gun shows, selling mostly maps, T-shirts, books, and survival type gear.
From a gun show he attended in Tulsa, he got an invitation to join Roger Moore and his girlfriend on a ranch near Royal, Arkansas. Moore had a lot of money and Tim gathered a lot of information about the militant movement there
Earl Lofland
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A lot of interesting questions and observations Earl......
A couple of clarifications.....Dupnik was wrong(among other statements) about Partricia Maisch...she was not wounded but was able to secure the extra clip at the urging of others. Two men tackled Loughner and they fell nearly on top of Maisch. This is what she said on Megan Kelly's Fox show today......
Dupnik is running off at the mouth more as a politicians than a "fact finding" law enforcer.
According to reports the "second man of interest" turned out to be a taxi driver that was going into the grocery store to purchase something...so that has been dropped??
Some democrats seem to have seized on Obama's previous Chief of Staff's slogan "don't miss a crisis opportunity" or something to that effect.......
Thanks for the update Harry.
I agree Dupnik is doing more politicing than anything else. I have looked at his passed and it shows he is supportive if federal intervention than state rights.
In march there is an event to take place called Riflestock 2011
http://patriotresistance.com/RIFLESTOCK2011.html
Sounds like a road trip???
Wow! Thanks Twana Very informative!