This man took an oath to support the constitution and an unlawful order is against the constitution. He has the right not to support an unlawful order and obummer has no right to issue an one. Now who is wrong??
One more time, I will quote the only, best, Democrat President; John F. Kennedy, who, incidentally, was experienced as a Navy man & a war hero; " You are a citizen first, & a soldier, second ". This man, a citizen-soldier, has every right, off duty & on his own equipment, to engage in the free exchange of comments & ideas under Freedom of Speech. The same right as guaranteed & unalienable to even the communists in our society-(unfortunately). I have my own feelings about, & do not use the ' social internet medias' such as farcebook & others, I think that was a mistake on his part, however, I see nowhere, that he has done anything denigratory against the USMC, of whom, I have as a Veteran myself, the deepest respect for, being most glad to know their presence near me in Viet Nam & other places. For the life of me, I cannot understand the manic drive in the services, to placate an egomaniac bent on undermining Our Free Society, meaning of course; oblabber. To me, & many others, the respect I have felt all these years for the Marine Corps, may in the future be reserved for those who ' do the work '; the ones whose lives are the first to be under fire in the front, & now, in the privacy of their own homes, or the inner sanctums of their own minds. By the way, I know that ALL Marines are to be prepared for combat at all times, from the clerk at a desk, to the upper command ranks. Are you ? Shame on Command for allowing the travesty of ' political & thought control ' to enter into the dialogue of command for the sake of ' bowing & scraping to please ' his beastliness ''. To those officers in command, I ask you, when we take this country back, will you then bow back the other way, as a sapling bent with the wind & whims of controversy ? Is this the new definition of the fighting man's motto of " Adapt & Survive " ? Perhaps the USMC's, long admired epsrit de corps is now bolstered only by your junior officers & dedicated enlisted, & you need to get back into action to revive that pride in yourselves & the Corps that you may rightfully brag on. The Corps needs to back this man as only a fellow Marine can; a brother-in-arms. The meaning of which, only a combat veteran who has witnessed the Corps in action, can appreciate & uphold. I have. I am very sorry to have to have said any of this, as I thought, at least the Corps, of all others, was bigger than this.To USMC Sgt Gary Stein, WE the People, have your back- Hang in there Brother !
Mr. McCloud, excellent post. Thank you for your service to this once great nation. I, as a Navy veteran, always admired the Marine detachments that I had the honor of serving with. They were always very professional and exemplified what it meant to serve. This Sargent deserves the backing of the corps just as if he were in battle and I believe you have uncovered the real problem as being with the flag officers. I have visited the facebook page and posted my support for him.
As an NCO and not a commissioned officer he has every right to express his political opinion as long as he qualifies it as not representing the Marine Corp point of view and that these are his own personal opinions. If they try to separate him and he can get a good freedom of speech lawyer they will eat the Marine Corps lunch. The only way they could possibly have a case against him is if he has a picture of himself in uniform on his facebook page or if he made statements which would be detrimental to good order and discipline. The big thing is the disclaimer. As an enlisted man he has every right to express his personal opinion of the pretender in the oval office. If he were a commissioned officer it a whole different story. This in no way is the same situation as LTC Lakin. I'm not a lawyer but I was trained to investigate espionage, sabotage, and subversion. This really should not surprise anyone. All one has to do is watch and listen to testimony on TV by members of the military and it is quite obvious that the entire upper echelon of all our military services are in bed with Body Odor and the democrats, especially that traitorous, disloyal, scum bucket who fills the position of chairman of the joint chiefs.
I know what the directive says, Marvin, but I don't think the Corps is going to just let this go. Maybe, and I hope so, but we will see....I don't think he will be on the list for promotion to E7 do you?
Incidentally if he wasn't acting as a marine how come everyone knows he is?
You know as well as I do that noone is going to join the upper echelons of the Military unless they follow the PC guidelines. Those that are there now didn't get there by not conforming..... And it has been that way since before Washington took the job from the Continental congress. (Think Benedict Arnold and Horatio Gates)
I knew dozens of ticket punchers in the Nam, one of them even got to be Joint Chief Chairman where he got Bush the daddy to stop the First Gulf War. Several of them used to leave their desks in Bangkok and UtaPao to ride with me across the Mekong once every month so that they could get Combat Pay, a VSM and an Air Medal and credit for one combat mission on their ticket.
Major, USAF Ret.
That's not the point. The point is they want to give him a discharge under other than honorable conditions. He hasn't done anything to deserve an other than honorable discharge. If he deserves an other than honorable conditions discharge why don't the court martial him. If he has a good lawyer he will demand a court martial and make mince meat out of any case they might try to bring against him. And, by the way, his freedom of speech is protected by the UCMJ which has precedence over any directive. I know all about the ticket punchers. Had an Army LTC commander one time who could not fire a 38 revolver but he was there only to get his ticket punched. When it came to real world intelligence work he was dumber than a box of rocks. Saw another LTC use his driver like a servant. Poor kid was polishing his boots, cleaning his weapon, and every other thing that he should have been doing for himself, but he might get his hands dirty. He was on an 18 month accompanied tour in Germany. Everybody else did 36 month tours if accompanied, but he came from the pentagon and was going back to the pentagon. The most arrogant SOB I ever saw.
Come on guys, and I am sure you know better, Harry. The DOD Directive 1344.10 is quite plain and the message was given numerous times to us while on active duty.
I agree with the Sergeants position and probably share most of his opinions.
But if he wants to take a political stand he must leave active duty first. The Marine Corps simply cannot and will not ignore this sort of public display from an active duty Marine.
Major, USAF Ret
Albuquerque on the Rio Grande
I'm sorry James, but you are just absolutely flat wrong. As an enlisted (that's the key word-enlisted) person he has every right to express his point of view. For officers it is a whole different ball game. As long as he does not do it in uniform or represent his opinion to be an official Marine Corps opinion he can say what ever he wants as long as he does not advocate violence or rebellion. If anyone has violated this law it is Body Odor. When he has personnel in uniform at one of his political rallies and he is not addressing a military organization or on a military base he is wrong.
you are wrong. a supreme court ruling in 2010 gave enlisted and nco s the right to do as this man did
A HUGE thank you to all servicemen & women!!!! Because of YOU, we remain a free country! One of my sons is in the Army at Ft Campbell & has completed one tour in Iraq. I say let's send ALL the politicians to the warring countries and see how they do!!! (We can send obama home to Kenya.) Marine Sgt Gary Stein, thank you for taking a stand! There is also a FB entitled Patriots for Sgt Gary Stein (USMC) which I just joined. Praying for you & all of our troops. God bless you and God bless America!!!
The tragedy of Obama is nearly immeasurable.....only time will tell how long and at what costs it will take to unravel the damage..........this assumes "we the people" have seen the light and get off our a.s in November and reject him in tsunami fashion.
Once again Harry you are spot on. It will take years if not decades to undo what Body Odor and the Democrats have done in the past 3 1/2 years. It isn't just Odorcare. Its the staggering debt, the unlimited regulations, destruction of our upper level officer corp through political correctness, and the list goes on and on. If he is reelected we will probably never be able to repair the damage. I suspect that if he is reelected you will see this website and many other simply disappear. Then one day there will be a knock on your door and the Feds will be there to confiscate your firearms.