We can like Rubio and Cruz, and they may serve in any position in the US government "except the office of president of the United States"
No person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States. -Article II, Section 1 of the united States Constitution
Before I begin and before you get angry at me for pointing out what I'm about to point out, I want to ask you to hold that thought and ask yourself why you are not more angry at these representatives for their ignorance and willful ignoring of the law! I have been suspicious of Rep. Trey Gowdy for some time now. Though he often says a lot of good things, the reality is that he has been on several congressional committees, including chairing the Benghazi committee and has brought absolutely no resolve to any of those things. However, today, a video was released challenging Gowdy on the Natural Born Citizenship qualifications of presidential candidate Marco Rubio (and we could also apply the same standard to Ted Cruz). Gowdy's answer was simply treasonous.
Evan Mulch, who is a constituent of Gowdy's, confronted the congressman concerning and first asked if he had read the 28 pages of the 9/11 report that several congressmen are attemp.... Gowdy admitted that he had not read them.
However, it was the follow-up question that generated the ignorance and heat. Mulch asked Gowdy, "When Marco Rubio said that his parents were born in another country, that doesn't make him a natural born citizen, according to the Constitution. What would you say to that?"
"That issue has already been litigated," said Gowdy.
Gowdy then went on to totally distort the idea of what was put to him and asked if John McCain was ineligible, something that has not been a part of being a natural born citizen. In case you miss the dodge there, Rubio's parents were not citizens when he was born in the States. Of course, Rubio is an American citizen, but fails to meet the qualifications that even the founders recognized had to be present to be a natural born citizen.
When Gowdy was asked, "So, we don't need a natural born citizen to be president?"
"It depends on what you mean by that?" he responded.
It depends on what you mean? My goodness, the ignorance is glaring and I will demonstrate just how much shortly, but Gowdy continued to demonstrate his ignorance of the natural born citizen issue.
When Mulch said that we know what the founders meant by it, Gowdy retorted, "No you don't!"
But Mr. Gowdy, we most certainly do know! In fact, we have something called the 1790 Naturalization Act, which clearly defines who a natural born citizen is. And no, it is not just a person born on American soil as the Constitution distinguishes between natural born and "a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution." If all that was required was to be a "citizen," then why the distinction? It was because of what I'm about to show you.
As Publius Huldah has pointed out, the framers were quite familiar with Vattel's Law of Nations. As such, they understood what it meant to be "natural born," though Vattel used the term subject, not citizen. While many have tried to blow off Congress' use of the Law of Nations, Benjamin Franklin wrote a letter to Charles Dumas on December 9, 1775 to thank him for sending three copies of the book and specifically wrote, "… I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations. Accordingly that copy, which I kept, (after depositing one in our own public library here, and sending the other to the College of Massachusetts Bay, as you directed,) has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author…" (2nd para) [boldface added]
So, Congress most definitely was aware of the volume, had high and just esteem for Vattel and continually had it in their hands. Keep in mind that this was all before the Constitution was written in 1787.
In fact, Publius Huldah points out that in the 1916 edition of the Law of Nations published by the Carnegie Endowment, Albert de Lapradelle wrote an introduction which stated that the fathers of independence, "were in accord with the ideas of Vattel," that the found in Vattel "all their maxims of political liberty" and,
"From 1776 to 1783, the more the United States progressed, the greater became Vattel's influence. In 1780 his Law of Nations was a classic, a text book in the universities."
While our founders were originally subjects of Britain, once they won the war for independence, they became citizens, and Vattel was the one who offered that understanding they came to with regard to natural born citizen. Publius Huldah has previously pointed out what the gist of what Vattel penned in Law of Nations, Book I, Ch. XIX, at §§ 212-217, is this:
§ 212: Natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens – it is necessary that they be born of a father who is a citizen. If a person is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
§ 213: Inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are foreigners who are permitted to stay in the country. They are subject to the laws of the country while they reside in it. But they do not participate in all the rights of citizens – they enjoy only the advantages which the law or custom gives them. Their children follow the condition of their fathers – they too are inhabitants.
§ 214: A country may grant to a foreigner the quality of citizen – this is naturalization. In some countries, the sovereign cannot grant to a foreigner all the rights of citizens, such as that of holding public office – this is a regulation of the fundamental law. And in England, merely being born in the country naturalizes the children of a foreigner.
§§ 215, 216 & 217: Children born of citizens in a foreign country, at sea, or while overseas in the service of their country, are "citizens".
So, the founders knew what it meant and we know they knew what it meant. Gowdy is just out to lunch here or is being dishonest. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but there is no excuse for a man in his position to not know this.
Furthermore, the 1790 Naturalization Act, which was written within two years of the Constitution, so there is no doubt that these men had the same definition of those who penned the Constitution, reads:
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least, and making proof to the satisfaction of such Court that he is a person of good character, and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by law to support the Constitution of the United States, which Oath or Affirmation such Court shall administer, and the Clerk of such Court shall record such Application, and the proceedings thereon; and thereupon such person shall be considered as a Citizen of the United States. And the children of such person so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.
Notice that even in this Act, there is a distinction between "citizens," those who are "naturalized" and "natural born citizens." Notice they also understood that men like John McCain (though he is a traitor to his country) would be a natural born citizen, even if he were born outside US soil in Panama. Why? Because his parents were both citizens! There is no doubt that we can know exactly what the Framers had in mind when they wrote "natural born citizen."
Finally, you'll notice Trey Gowdy said, "You're either going to follow the law of the land or you're not."
Exactly right, Mr. Gowdy, but it seems you are so ignorant of what the Constitution means by Natural Born Citizen that you are unable to follow the law, or you are simply willfully not following it, but propping up nothing but anchor babies from all over. After all, if all that is required to be president is for one to be a citizen, every anchor baby ever born should fit Gowdy's sentiments, right?
Rubio's parents were born in Cuba and were not naturalized till after he was born in the States, making him a citizen, but not a natural born citizen (remember the language distinguishing between those two in the Constitution. Cruz's father was born in Cuba and his mother was a US citizen. Remember, that one must be born of parents (plural) who are citizens, but more specifically the father must be a citizen. Cruz held dual citizenship in Canada and the united States until he wanted to throw his hat in the ring for a presidential run.
But notice the other problem here. We are told we are a nation of immigrants. No, we are not. I'm not. My family decades ago may have been, but my parents were citizens, their parents were citizens and I'm a citizen. Furthermore we are natural born citizens. Also, one woman turns and ignorantly claims, "You realize we're all not natural born citizens." Talk about why we are in the place we are at!
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. Hosea 4:6
Indeed, America is being destroyed due to the lack of knowledge of the people. As a final thought, keep in mind that the Bible even teaches that a foreigner should not rule over the people, emphasizing the natural born status.
Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother. Deuteronomy 17:15
The policy for immigration has always be a sponsored immigrant, Either by a mentor citizen, or the sponsorship of
married parents who were citizens. To run for President, the vetting requirement was, "parental citizens". No change for over a hundred years. You must also take into consideration that those that are spouting the convoluted definition were educated
after 1948, and the unions were already pushing new educators into the arena on the mid elements on their agenda. LBJ
made it easier when the Education Department was lifted to federal status. Great Society. None of what is happening now came in with Obozo, it was part of an ongoing thrust to capture this country without a war. Obozo was nothing more
than a well trained Manchurian Candidate. Reading Hitlers Bio. is the best map for direction of this country.
Hit the nail on the head there Allen! Great Society they came up with, funny huh?, Goldwater warned it was about to happen and it pretty much began the final end to our Republic.
Not only Trey Cowdy, but every Congressmen and Senator since 2009 deliberately obfuscated and distorted the concept of the Natural Born citizenship; And all parties deliberately obfuscated and distorted it up to this very moment! They do it with the following goals:
1) To further keep taboo on the greatest crime - the 2008/2012 double coup which installed a UFO (Unidentified Foreign Operative) into the White House.
2) To confused and distort the concept of Natural Born so much, that it gets impossible to refer to it and use it in any discussion! Be advised, that despite all the obfuscation and double talk, the true meaning "Two citizen parents and born on the soil" inadvertently slipped into the document as late as the 2008 Sen. Res. 511 on McCain!
3) Gee, it was Cruz himself which formulated this criterion while campaigning to be a Senator - yet noticing that he was not going to expose the impostor Obama! Sure enough, now Crook Cruz became an impostor himself no less than Obama - here the sources of that interview
And here is a brief on the US natural born
4) The criminal gang of GOPniks keeps pushing impostors Cruz and others as the ultimate obfuscation of the Natural Born concept by means of enforcing the clearly unfit contenders, and therefore nullifying the Constitution da facto. See also
If, as Rep. Gowdy said, the father of a citizen absolutely must be a citizen, then it is quite clear that Obama does not meet the Constitutional requirements, even if he wasn't born in Kenya, and even if he wasn't adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetero, and even if he never re-claimed citizenship after he returned from Indonesia, and even if he hadn't applied to Occidental as a foreign student. So if it's so clear that he is not a natural born citizen, then will someone please tell me how it's any different than Cruz or Rubio?
I don't care if their republican or democrat, if they aren't eligible to be president then they can't be president. They should be convicted if they even try. Obama has judges protecting him along with our reps and others. There should be severe penalties for this but no one is enforcing it. That leaves We The People only.
How about Carly, she is one smart lady and I think she could beat Hilary in any debate. Who else is left that has a chance of winning the general election and is also conservative? IMO there is Christie, Trump (with a big question mark) because he brags a lot but doesn't give any specifics. Huckabee ? We have to pick someone who will be able to attract a percentage of non-Republicans if we hope to win. This is a really tough decision, and I haven't picked any one of them yet. Of course, we know who the Dems will vote for so we can't go in as a divided party on we are just giving it to Hilary on a silver platter.
Fiorina thinks Islam created the greatest society ever, she's an idiot totally unfit to be a dog catcher.
OBAMA NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE PRESIDENCY
The error in this message is so obvious; why hasn't anyone brought it up:
If either of these two men, Rubio or Cruz, are not allowed to take the office of president, then Barack Obama should be removed immediately and every bill he signed should be declared null and void --for the same reasons that Rubio and Cruz were denied, because Obama also is not a natural-born citizen just as they are ineligible.. However, if either of these two men are allowed to take the office of president, then we have abandoned our constitution and it is now null and void.
signed: --James Meletiou, Knoxville, Tennessee
This is sort of moot to make a point of now, since B.H.O. being a non Naturalized Citizen was able to be squeezed into the office. What good are the rules of the Constitution, when even a Presidential candidate can slip past the policies set?. There was a total disregard for the law, when the person who is supposed to verify all information regarding a Presidential candidates validity to even be put on the ballot, does not even do the job he/she is paid to do, and which is part of their job description. Had he been background checked, Birth Certificate, age, place of Birth, ETC, ETC, ETC, we would not be chomping at the bit right now, to find a way to get him out of office, and his heavy boot off our necks.
All of his complete background records were sealed, as soon as he took office. They need to be unsealed, to find what it is he needed so desperately to hide from America, and the People. If we can prove in a court of law, that he is ineligible to hold the office of President, it would make void, everything he has done since in office, since he was a imposter, and not a true President.
We need to find a way to force him to show his TRUE long form Birth Certificate, his TRUE, Social Security card, His copies of his drivers licenses since his first, and all of his passports he has used, under every name he has used, since he first traveled. He is our supposed President, so this should not be a problem for him, and while we are at it, have all his records unsealed, which he had sealed, so they can be verified. This is how we get rid of this albatross we are saddled with, the truth will set us free.
Cruz and Trump are the only 2 that might do what is good for America, rubio will not see the wh. As far as The Almighty, if he chooses to take this nation down it is because this has become a foolish, wicked nation and he is passing judgment on it. I'g guessing he is not real happy with us at this time. I suggest prayer and asking him what his will is.
Haven't you read the articles about eligibility? Cruz is ineligible, yet people like you are too dense to comprehend the truth of the natural born issue, two citizens parents at the time of the candidates birth. Jeez people, wake up and pay attention to the Constitution.
Mindy,no Cruz. POTUS nominee can chose the V.P. to run & Michelle Bochman would be good.