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TRUE FACTS ABOUT THE ENDLESS NATURAL BORN DEBATE..........By JB Williams

TRUE FACTS ABOUT THE ENDLESS NATURAL BORN DEBATE

 

By J.B. Williams
January 16, 2016
NewsWithViews.com

The 2008 Obama event caused people to start learning about what a natural born Citizen (NBC) is and why that condition for the Oval Office exists in Article II -- who is and who isn’t a natural born Citizen and the focus of the discussion was entirely upon who can and cannot seek or occupy the White House.

The political focus point caused two important problems... 1) overlooking the more important issues surrounding NBC, the Natural Right of every child to be born a true citizen of the country of their father, due to no process of man-made law, and 2) everything regarding politics immediately becomes open for debate due to competing agendas, the driving force behind most people’s “facts” .... instead of allowing the real facts to drive the agenda.

The result has been an endless debate over NBC wherein there are now five competing definitions of those three very simple English words and people are searching the four corners of the earth, all of history and every law school to find the definition that suits their agenda....

The five competing definitions

#1 – The Original Meaning – Synonymous with the term “True Citizen” in Natural Law, a Christian bible based concept of Natural Law and Natural Rights in a patriarchal society wherein all rights pass from natural birth father to child at birth. This is the Vattel definition, and The Law of Nations is only political in the sense that it is a highly regarded treatise on the subject of Natural Law and the effects of Natural Law on nations, people and governments. (Part I – How natural-born Citizen came to appear in Article II and Part II – What the Founders meant by natural-born Citizen as a matter of history)

“As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

#2 – The Textual meaning – the words have the meaning of their face value, based upon the common use of the words at the time the words were used, in this case ratified. natural+born+Citizen, someone who is a legal member of society, at the moment of birth, as a result of nature alone. – (If one is a legal member of society only due to an act of legislation or governmental policy, they are a citizen via act, statute or government policy, and not by nature alone. One made a legal member of society by any act of government is a “naturalized” citizen.) In this case, the textual and original meaning are fully aligned.

#3 – The “birther” definition – “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” The “birther” movement chose this single sentence from Vattel because the “jus soli” (born in country) part was what they needed to challenge John McCain in 2008. The focus on John McCain is what took focus off of Barack Obama and allowed someone who is NOT a NBC to enter the White House while all eyes were on McCain, who is a NBC by any reasonable definition or intent. The U.S. Senate issued a 99-0 resolution affirming McCain, but no such resolution was sought for Obama, who cannot pass the McCain resolution statements. The “birthers” are of the opinion that even though this definition is not the original definition, and to some degree, is at odds with the original meaning and textual meaning, it none the less represents the “Founders intent” to eliminate any foreign influence from the office of Commander-in-Chief, in accordance with John Jay’s stated reasoning for proposing the requirement be added. They want no foreign influence, from the father, the mother or the place of birth. Not Vattel’s definition as “birthers” claim, but not an unreasonable view either. (The definition Cruz invented to attack Trump in the last RNC Debate is used by no one except Cruz. Ted created a sixth definition to suit his agenda, an outlandish extension of the “birther” definition.)

#4 – The Trump and Rubio definition – native born is natural born. This is one of two 14th Naturalization Amendment views, in which the claim is made that one must be born on US soil, aka “native born” in order to be a natural born Citizen, without any regard for parentage. Marco Rubio was born in the USA, but to two Cuban citizens who did not become legal US citizens until years after Marco’s birth. This is a 14th anchor baby, a native born citizen due only to US government policies on the naturalization of foreign children born on US soil. (Trump made a technical mistake during the exchange with Cruz because he has a poor understanding of native vs. natural born, maybe by intent.)

#5 – The Progressive definition, aka common law interpretation – (the second 14th Naturalization view) Common Law is the practice of making, amending or overriding constitutional and statute law via court precedence or scholarly opinions. We just watched this happen in real time on the term “marriage” as the high court issued a 5-4 opinion that the 14th Amendment protects the right of gays to marry, thereby altering the definition of “marriage” from what it has meant since the beginning of recorded history to what the gay community and globalists want it to mean today. This is the same practice being employed by “legal experts” on both sides of the political aisle as we speak, to eliminate the NBC requirement for the Oval Office by simply using common law precedence to redefine the term to suit. This effort ends with no distinction between natural born, native born, naturalized and undocumented citizens from foreign lands. ALL of them will be NBCs when the “legal experts” are finished here, including “undocumented migrants and Middle East refugees.”

How else to you eliminate U.S. national sovereignty and meld the USA into the global commune, unless people from all over the world can occupy the Oval Office?

When Ted Cruz was running for the Senate in 2012, he stated to supporters at a Texas 912 campaign event that he was “NOT ELIGIBLE for the White House because (using NBC #3 above) his father was never a US citizen until 2005, in addition to being born in Canada.”

The problem isn’t really that Ted was “born in Canada.” The problem is, Ted was “born Canadian.” A legal citizen of Canada from birth until he decided to run for the Oval Office in May 2014, when he renounced his birthright citizenship to Canada. Ted Cruz has NO authentic US documentation of any form of legal US citizenship. Ted is an “undocumented citizen” of the USA, no different than millions of “undocumented citizens” residing in the USA today.

Of course, by definition, a “constitutionalist” is a “constitutional originalist.” Anyone who buys “precedence” and “modern interpretations” as a method of interpreting the Constitution or Bill of Rights, is NOT a “constitutionalist.”

Now, we no more need “legal experts” to tell us what natural born Citizen means, than what daylight and dark mean. The answer to both questions are obvious and self-evident. In both cases, the words mean exactly what they suggest…

The difference between natural born Citizen and every other type of citizen under U.S. law, is as obvious as the difference between daylight and dark.

Only when one seeks to alter the original and textual meaning of the term does the term become “ambiguous” and then, open to competing interpretations and debate. Only when one is willing to use very broad progressive interpretations of constitutional text, in order to slip their candidate through the key hole to the Oval Office, does the matter become confusing, by intent.

Whether or not RNC talkers Levin, Hannity, Kelly and Limbaugh have any honest clue what a natural born Citizen is, Obama, Cruz and Rubio, as well as many others “trained in the law” do know, which means they are not just mistaken, they are frauds actively working to subvert the Constitutional requirements for high office.

However, upholding, defending, protecting and preserving the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights and all foundational Rights of the American citizenry requires us to enforce the letter of the Constitution, based on the original meaning and Founders intent at the time of the adoption…

Anything less is an effort to undermine and subvert the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, the result of which will be the loss of all constitutionally protected natural rights, as endowed by our Creator… and mistake of grave consequences that reach far beyond the political ambitions of both candidates and constituents.

We only have the Foundations we are willing to uphold and enforce… When the people become as corrupt as their politicians, there is no hope for America… Are we there now?

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JB Williams is a writer on matters of history and American politics with more than 3000 pieces published over a twenty-year span. He has a decidedly conservative reverence for the Charters of Freedom, the men and women who have paid the price of freedom and liberty for all, and action oriented real-time solutions for modern challenges. He is a Christian, a husband, a father, a researcher, writer and a business owner. He is co-founder of action organizations The United States Patriots Union, a civilian parent organization for The Veteran Defenders of America. He is also co-founder of The North American Law Center, a citizen run investigative legal research and activism organization preparing to take on American's greatest legal battles. Williams receives mail at: jb.uspu@gmail.com

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And your Mark Levin supports yet another Constitutionally ineligible candidate!  Shame on you for not supporting our Constitution and being willing to jump on-board the fraud train!!!!

Laura, what kind of atty is Levin? Even so called "experts" on the so called supreme court have been overturned regularly so I am not impressed with Levin as a true constitutional scholar.

As opposed to Levin, a real constitutional scholar with FOUR degrees from Harvard law school, Dr Edwin Vieira, has written extensively on the issue of NBC as it is an EXTREMELY important aspect of our Constitution, one thing directly impacts the national security of America. Dr. Vieira's conclusion, based on rigorous analysis, is that NBC meant and still means that BOTH parents MUST be US citizens at the time a person is born for that person to be a NBC.

I don't know what you consider important, but there is NO more important issue than removing the usurper Barry Soetoro from the office he holds fraudulently. If you disagree with that then YOU are the one who needs to get a grip!

Where were all of you working to get Obama out of the Presidency.  

I took every bit of documentation to many attorneys, and finally I took it to Justice Bill Waller, Chief Justice of the Mississippi Supreme Court.

Do any of you know what misprision means?  It is a charge of knowingly looking the other way when you know of and look the other way when a major felony has been perpetrated against any Federal/State Law.  I took the evidence to any attorneys to get them to investigate this and help those like Orly Taitz to get ride of Barry Soetero.  

For 7 years I have held onto this evidence and still bring it up to those who keep him off the ballot in 2012.  I called the Election Committee at 7:00 AM the Monday morning after the Democratic National Convention in 2012.  They told me they had already certified Obama to appear on the ballot in November, 2012.  Do you think I deserve shame for those efforts?  

I have witnesses and proof.  Have any of you done as much to prevent a brokerage of this Constitution?  For 7+ years I have been swimming upstream to uphold the Constitution in this manner, but it appears to me that the AMERICAN PEOPLE have NO CLUE that this has happened, so I have gotten to the point that the best way NOW that I CAN FIGHT THIS IS TO FIND THE MOST STRINGENT SUPPORTER/DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION IN THAT TIME PERIOD.  I SEE THAT AS TED CRUZ.  

DONALD TRUMP wouldn't know how to use the Constitution if it came up, shook his hand took it and gave him a month long tutorial to manage the Office of the Presidency.  But this documentary shows how "honorable" Donald Trump.   If you google the events, deals, and real estate deals in this documentary, you will prove to yourself, he is not fit, honorable enough to carry Ted Cruz's underwear.  

https://youtu.be/ZgHgtomm8pQ

Beat up on me if you will but I will stand with a defender of the Constitution any day of the week.  But I won't stand for a man who has swindled folks out of their private property through eminent domain, made BILLIONS OF DOLLARS off those deals and much of that property is now vacant lots and bankrupt casinos.

Mark Levin was a lawyer in the Reagan Administration, worked for Ed Meese as U. S Attorney General.  He now is editor in chief of Conservative Review (pro bono) and has a legal foundation that defends folks who have legal needs of unusual circumstances, Landmark Legal Foundation.  And he has a conservative talk show that comes on at 5:00 PM CST. 

And BTW, I have visited all those sites, I provided them to the above attorneys and Chief Justice, NONE of them would give me the time of day.  I get it, but now we are in such a state we can't just stand, we have to help those willing to bring back Constitutional governance to these United States.  It is NOT DONALD TRUMP, HE DOESN'T GET IT.

The FACTS are Ted Cruz does not fit the definition our founding fathers claimed a natural born citizen is. Ed Meese was a member of the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations, both organizations are a part of the NWO. "Nuff said? But I do agree with your assessment of Trump being unfit to serve as POTUS.

You

Great reply Lee for a "Self-Proclamied" Christian. I hope others here who do know God will take note.
Michael,
I truly worry about Lee's Salvation. I have asked him 4 times what Bible version he uses, and he has not once given me a reply to the question. I fear he is in a fringe cult, sect, or false Religion. He says he is a born again Christian, but does not believe in the Trinity. This tells me he does not believe in God, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, or the Holy Spirit. Without this, one cannot be saved, truly born again saved. One cannot as a Christian, believe in one, but not the others.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, GOD created the Heavens and the Earth, Reference scripture, Psalms 8:3,4
3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

John 3:16-18
16-For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not parish, but have everlasting life.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 6:37.40
37-He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
40-And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 10:27-28
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28- And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 11:25-26
25-I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26- And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.

John 14:1-12
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1 ¶ Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 ¶ And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

What else can be said about his supposed born again Christianity, when he believes none of the above from the Word of God?. Amen
God Bless, and keep, you and yours.
Freedom Fighter. The best thing you or I can do for Lee is pray for him. The eyes of his understanding are closed. He believes in the lies of the Doctrine of Demons which we know pervert Gods Word. It is obvious to any truly born again Christian that if you don't even know the Truth of the Godhead, the Holy Trinity, it is not the Holy Spirit you are listening to but deceiving spirits who blastpheme God and His Word. If you err on this doctrine alone you are considered worse than an unbeliever and are not allowed membership into ANY conservative Protestent Church in the World.
So pray for Lee that the Holy Spirit will open his eyes to see God for who he truly is, I have been since I first started dealing with him.

Michael........the courteous and best thing those of you discussing religion on this thread which is "natural born citizen" is to take the religion detailed discussion to another post.  Appreciate your consideration.

You are correct, Harry, and I apologize for my participation. I had told Lee in my last post that the talk was going way off track, and I was going to refrain from speaking of it further, So I am just as guilty, in this regard, as Michael. I did make a last post to Michael on the subject matter of Religion yesterday, but that would have been my last on the subject. I have been saved for a great many years, as apparently has Michael. but I too hate to see anyone loose their salvation due to the whisperings of evil, and paganism, and Satan, in their ears deafening them to the truth. I too, shall no longer speak of it on this thread, my sincerest apologies to any I may have offended, and for straying so far off the original discussion.

Thank Michael and FF..........let's just move back to the topic.  

It's absolutely astonishing that so many talking heads simply wave off any consideration to investigate in some depth this issue of "natural birth citizenship" that so many Americans care deeply about.   We've had enough of the total disregard for the Constitution and most seem resigned simply allow it to continue. It's the old "it won't affect me" or "let someone else do it".........however, America should now be feeling the results of Obama......particularly in the medical care pocket book.  Also, regulations....10 forms to fill out to see a new doctor..........government grows, we the people shrink in attention by those that should be representing us.

I know this subject is off topic, I did not bring it up but there are many Christians here who might be struggling with people who believe the know Gods Word but in fact believe a lie. This can be very frustrating especially when it's people you love and care about. I have studied cults and delt with cult members for over 40 years. And one thing they all have in common is that they pervert the Godhead and the Person of God. It is nothing new. It began at the very inception of the New Testament Church and it was one of the very subjects the early church fathers had to address to keep heresy from pervertingbthe Church. It was felt withdraws settled in the early years of the Christian Church and those who opposed it were considered Anethema and put out of the Church. Deceiving religious spirits are especially hard to deal with because they come with a small bit of truth which is used to reinforce their perverted doctrines. To get those who have been decieved to see the Truth is very difficult, it takes much prayer and in some cases fasting that the Holy Spirit will allow the individual to see God for Who he truly is because this is the last thing the enemy of God and people's souls that he wants. So in trying to stay true to the guidelines of this forum I'm going to end this by saying those of you who know people who believe they know the Truth but do not, don't give up, pray, know that in most cases it will not happen overnight, but God does not desire that anyone believe a lie. "For they shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set them free".

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