What are your thoughts on our movement’s future

[Green2]

One of the most discussed and ignored question I’ve read on the groups I’ve joined is what is next? Should we form a third party? Some say join the minority party AKA the GOP along with a few other suggestions. I’ve been thinking about it and here are my 2 cents or is it only worth 1 cent now (inflation is a b*$ch).

First form a third party.

The Benefits: we could start from scratch with a foundation that is sound and free of progressive/moderates that now poison the traditional party of conservatism the GOP and the negative reputation that party has developed with the body politic that makes up both the voting minority in this country and the ignorant majority.

The Detriments: what modern (1945-2009) third party has yet been successful? Lack of name recognition, lack of respect from any of the major media formats (Print, Big Three TV networks, Cable Networks and to a great extent the Internet and Radio). This lack of respect and name recognition makes raising money to pay for even local campaigns difficult. No one takes a third party seriously.

Suggestions to overcome Detriments: Organize and start small and focus on one town/city/county or in RI case the whole state. Put all our effort into these local elections and ignore the national races (Senate, House of Representatives, President ect.) and the state wide executive positions (Governor, Treasurer, AG ect.). Gain power in these locations and establish a reputation. I think the biggest problem the Libertarians have is they are to disorganized and trying to do to much with to little. Pick and win our fights.

Second join the GOP.

The Benefits: Well established name recognition and historical track record of conservatism and historical figures to emulate (Lincoln, Reagan). Access to campaign donor lists ($$$$$$).

The Detriments: Well established name recognition and historical track record of backsliding on conservative principles just to be “liked” by the media and pander to the uniformed electorate. Media bias and successful progressive campaigns to label party as sudo-facist. Just as many of us dislike the GOP as we do the Democratic Party.

Suggestions to overcome Detriments: Take over the GOP using the same suggestions for overcoming the detriments to forming a third party. Take over the town parties first and the state and national will fallow. Start small and take control of the GOP by moving out Progressive and failed old guard career politicians.

Third form a Political Action Comity (PAC) or a standard 527 Group. Some of the groups have already decided to make this transition. Mike of Gods Angels of Freedom also recommended this at least once at the 13 May meeting in Charles Town.

The Benefits: Allows individuals to select specific issues to support based on the groups they choose to join. Each group selects an individual issue or group of similar issues to champion. This would prevent infighting and be an example of voting with our money and memberships in specific groups.

The Detriments: Lack of focus and unity of force. The potential arises that we become disunited and brake into factions. History has shone that movements that are disunited and splintered fail for lack of momentum.

Suggestions to Overcome Detriments: Organized one overall PAC or 527 to act as a unifying umbrella organizations we can all fall under. Then as Mike of Gods Angels of Freedom suggested organize one group for each issue that matters to our movement. The web site for the umbrella organization would have the links to each sub issue group. In this way we would all chose to join the sub groups we wish too.

I would further suggest that the umbrella group set up a mechanism by using the sub groups as the issue experts to rate each candidate in each race base on that candidate’s support of opposition to our movement. Each sub issue group would also be responsible to educating the remainder of the movement on their particular issue. In this way no single person or group would have the reasonability to research every issue. This specialization will improve the quality of information. Then the top five educational pieces from each sub group would be published on the umbrella site. Meetings and protest would be coordinated and scheduled by the umbrella site.

I don’t have all the answers just suggestions. What does every one else think and please publish your thoughts and send them to me and your organizations leaders.

[Denis Parton]

If you were to form a third party it would need Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr, Oliver North , and a host of others to become viable quickly. I have been a member since Col. Riley first began this, and have remained silent to see what direction this would take. There are only 2 possibilities if we choose to remain free Americans, either we secede from the Union with a large group of States, and let the lefties have their society and fund it theirselves, or we have another American Revolution. The 1st option will inevitably lead to the second when they figure out we are the ones pulling the cart, and paying the bills for their frivolity. The League of the South has been pursuing the 1st option for many years. All of our attempts to change anything have been completely ignored, they dont care what we think. What will you dowhen they tell you to register your weapons? what will you do when they tell you to register your gardens and account for your produce? If you think its farfetched , check out present legislation. I have remained silent because Ive known for many years that the only possible conclusion that is acceptable to me, and many others is to separate from these people.They have no conception of a free America, what personal responsibility is, what The Constitution of the United States says much less be able to comprehend what it protects, or why ? They have no conception that the rights and freedom of the Individual are inviolate, and overwhelming Government interest does not trump that , or any constitutional Right. Their thinking on the very basic beliefs can not be reconciled with ours, nor will it ever- there is no area for compromise. Allowing legislation on our Second Amendment should never have occurred, it is part of The Constitution, and therefore can only be changed by Constitutional Convention-That is a super majority in Congress, and ratification by 75% of the States. Think about the outcry if it was ever suggested that we just pass laws to change the 1st amendment. Their Political correctness has been destroying this nation for many years.

[AmericanFreeBird]

Join the GOP? Maybe if you can get all the traitors and turncoats out of it but I don't foresee that happening in my lifetime.

Institute new government ala the Declaration of Independence and lets, as our forefathers did, come up with another form of Republic that is more corruption proof.

Peaceful sessesion is the best way, let the socialists rot in their self-made Hells.

AFB

[Steven Paxton]

This says it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UIomrdvDUQ

[Kenny]

Seems like every Republican I talk to wants to get away from people like me. They call me one of the right wing religious nuts that have ruined the Republican party. I am sorry they feel that way but I will always vote my conscious when it comes to abortion and gun rights and I don't even own a gun. If I can't find a candidate that is anti-abortion, against same sex marriages I guess I won't be voting.

[Green2]

If you don't find a person you can support I would write in a candidate that you do support. I don't believe that one vote doesn't can’t make a difference. I feel a write in makes more of an impact then not voting. I would ask that you never voluntarily give up an opportunity to voice your view on a built because I fear in the next decade or so we may loose that ability.

[Green2]

I've had this up for since sat. night I think; the time stamp knows. I just found another large site and posted there at around 1am. I'm getting response back as I write this. So fare the ratios on each site are about the same. I've already started to formulate the result and my interpretation of the results along with a recommendation base on everyone’s input. I won’t to post it Saturday night. I look at it like the Deadliest Catch; let the pot soak for at least 5 days before I respond. If you have friends that you think could contribute to the discussion please bring them in or forward the questions to them.

[Green2]

Its up under another discussion Here are the results.....

[Sue]

Mary Anne, I am planning on going to DC in Sept. I also, am doing the same thing, telling the GOP to become Constitutionalists, and rid themselves of those whm are not, then I will donate to themk again.

[Max]

Jack, you're so right! McCain, Huckaby and Graham ALL need to be kicked out of the party if Republicans expect to gain the respect of Conservatives again!

This is going to be a long uphill battle...
Max

[Randall Cato]

Coming in en masse with a 3rd party will be an arduous task. Talk about grassroots! However, it is my strong belief that what we lack in unity is the proper identifier. (see my blog). At the rate we're flying now, we'll have as many 3rd party names as we do political activist groups. If we stand on Constitutional principles and expect the same from any elected official, then the identification must be made at the starting gate.
In my opinion, we are not only fighting to restore our Constitution to this great republic for ourselves and the ones who spilled their blood for it, but for the children of parents who've yet to be born. Imagine the future classroom of primary schoolers being taught the about the founding fathers objective to come up with a Constitution for this republic, then bombard them with the many left-wing/right-wing labels that are currently airborn.
Yes, there is a Constitution Party, and no, at this writing I've not joined yet..but for me I have to. The identification is needed because there is only black and white, the rest just becomes more divisions and more confusion.
At this juncture, what I see emerging is a combination of using our voices from a state chorus coupled with the identification of "who we are."
Hale to the Constitutionalist

[Green2]

Those of you still following this I have posted some feedback on another discution Here are the results.....

[Green2]

I've had this up for about two weeks and have already posted a first draft that has been up for about a week. Like I said it is a working draft to stimulate the discussion please join and I welcome your thoughts. Check out my discussion post Here are the results of your thoughts.