What are your thoughts on our movement’s future

[Green2]

One of the most discussed and ignored question I’ve read on the groups I’ve joined is what is next? Should we form a third party? Some say join the minority party AKA the GOP along with a few other suggestions. I’ve been thinking about it and here are my 2 cents or is it only worth 1 cent now (inflation is a b*$ch).

First form a third party.

The Benefits: we could start from scratch with a foundation that is sound and free of progressive/moderates that now poison the traditional party of conservatism the GOP and the negative reputation that party has developed with the body politic that makes up both the voting minority in this country and the ignorant majority.

The Detriments: what modern (1945-2009) third party has yet been successful? Lack of name recognition, lack of respect from any of the major media formats (Print, Big Three TV networks, Cable Networks and to a great extent the Internet and Radio). This lack of respect and name recognition makes raising money to pay for even local campaigns difficult. No one takes a third party seriously.

Suggestions to overcome Detriments: Organize and start small and focus on one town/city/county or in RI case the whole state. Put all our effort into these local elections and ignore the national races (Senate, House of Representatives, President ect.) and the state wide executive positions (Governor, Treasurer, AG ect.). Gain power in these locations and establish a reputation. I think the biggest problem the Libertarians have is they are to disorganized and trying to do to much with to little. Pick and win our fights.

Second join the GOP.

The Benefits: Well established name recognition and historical track record of conservatism and historical figures to emulate (Lincoln, Reagan). Access to campaign donor lists ($$$$$$).

The Detriments: Well established name recognition and historical track record of backsliding on conservative principles just to be “liked” by the media and pander to the uniformed electorate. Media bias and successful progressive campaigns to label party as sudo-facist. Just as many of us dislike the GOP as we do the Democratic Party.

Suggestions to overcome Detriments: Take over the GOP using the same suggestions for overcoming the detriments to forming a third party. Take over the town parties first and the state and national will fallow. Start small and take control of the GOP by moving out Progressive and failed old guard career politicians.

Third form a Political Action Comity (PAC) or a standard 527 Group. Some of the groups have already decided to make this transition. Mike of Gods Angels of Freedom also recommended this at least once at the 13 May meeting in Charles Town.

The Benefits: Allows individuals to select specific issues to support based on the groups they choose to join. Each group selects an individual issue or group of similar issues to champion. This would prevent infighting and be an example of voting with our money and memberships in specific groups.

The Detriments: Lack of focus and unity of force. The potential arises that we become disunited and brake into factions. History has shone that movements that are disunited and splintered fail for lack of momentum.

Suggestions to Overcome Detriments: Organized one overall PAC or 527 to act as a unifying umbrella organizations we can all fall under. Then as Mike of Gods Angels of Freedom suggested organize one group for each issue that matters to our movement. The web site for the umbrella organization would have the links to each sub issue group. In this way we would all chose to join the sub groups we wish too.

I would further suggest that the umbrella group set up a mechanism by using the sub groups as the issue experts to rate each candidate in each race base on that candidate’s support of opposition to our movement. Each sub issue group would also be responsible to educating the remainder of the movement on their particular issue. In this way no single person or group would have the reasonability to research every issue. This specialization will improve the quality of information. Then the top five educational pieces from each sub group would be published on the umbrella site. Meetings and protest would be coordinated and scheduled by the umbrella site.

I don’t have all the answers just suggestions. What does every one else think and please publish your thoughts and send them to me and your organizations leaders.

[Mike Bonds]

Although Iam not sure if a third party would have the money and the Name recognision we must start . By doing nothing the two party system gets their way in a majority rule but with an extra set of ideas. The old lost this election for us and will contue to do so. Avery energized wed based activised with good thoughts of the dollar and the constitution will win.

[Eric Holmes]

I think we define some very simple but overriding concepts that we want to achieve in 2010 and then forward. There must be specific concrete items and some guiding principles. Then we get people running for congress to sign up for. SImilar to what Newt G did in 94. This time though we open these up to ALL parties. After we are successful in 2010 and do it again in 2012 then we'll have the basis of a national party. It will be all those in Congress who are pledged to the cause.

I think now we should start drafting a dozen or so "must have" legislative items. If this is going to work - that is save the country - we must craft of plan that will garner a majority of votes and not get derailed. The goal must be success and not just talk. As an example I say one item on the list should be "rescind 2009 stimulus bill." This is easy to understand and a wide group of people running for Congress in 2010 will sign up for it. This first list for 2010 must be a foot in the door to solidify the movement. Must be achievable. Must also stop the bleeding. After success with this legislation, then we form the party.

[B Belliveau]

Maybe we don't need a party. I think that we should all start working at local levels to evaluate the candidates for the next elections. I think that the Conservatives are spread out now and we should look at the individuals and their records and start putting in representatives of the people instead of representatives of the government. Perhaps it is time to completely replace the reps we have now. Beyond that I think that maybe a boycott of the companys that support the left wing dems would be in order.

[B Belliveau]

Can someone make a list of companys that we should stop patronizing? Actors that shouldn't be supported? And so forth. Perhaps that is a way to unify all of the different fronts that we are working on.

[B Belliveau]

I apologize if this is not the right place to post this but can we put together a list of organizations, actors, etc that we should stop patronizing? It could be a way to unite all of the different fronts that all are working on. It may also bring this to the Americans that have no clue of what is going on.

[Green2]

I would say put together a discution post and put it on as many group sites as you can.

[Harry Riley]

It seems it's of little benefit constantly hashing the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th party issue.......the goal is moving out the dead-wood professional pigs at the governmnet trough and elect men/women with Constitutional/Republic principles that meet PFA and other groups demand to adhere to the Constitution.

The "party" makes no difference in my opinion.......we support, nominate, or one of us run for office if there is no acceptable candidate that takes an oath to observe the Constitution.

We need to fire up our contacts to attend, organize events that puts "boots on the ground" constantly until November 2010 and then we make wholesale changes in the US House of Representatives and one third of the Senate.......

July 4th in Washington, DC seems to be developing as the next large "tea party" followed closely by the 912 gigantic 'break the gates of hell" rally in D.C...........

Thanks to dedication of so many patriots that will never give up or surrender America........God bless all.......

[Green2]

. The crest I use is my Regimental crest from my tour in Iraq. The pseudonym was my call sing in my unit. (Like Smokey in Smokey and the bandit). The Green stands for my platoon and the two for my tanks bumper number (42). I was in for about 10 years and have been out since 06. Most military are just out of the loop when it comes to these sites. They just haven't gotten the word.

[Max]

Just a quick note about the voiced concerns about Mr. Sewell's 'tone'...

Most Americans, Patriots and Conservatives, believe as I do, that the 'battle' needs to be fought at the ballot box. That's the nature of our representative republic. However, there is a building concern that the ballot box may not be the trusted instrument that it once was.

Ever since the 2000 election, The Left has used every contentious argument to accuse Republicans of 'stealing' the election. Even legal decisions have been challenged and dismissed as 'partisan politics'. Many of us believe that The Left will stop at nothing to discredit ANY Republican since they have been so emboldened by the Media and their power base of national unions and thugs.

That is precisely why we have seen the rise of the so-called RINO - Republican in name only - The individual that just wants to 'get along'.

Conservatives recognize this. Especially those of us who have seen more than our share of National Elections.

There has been a growing movement to 'gather together' the folks that are against the policies of Mr. Obama. The cry is out for Libertarians, Democrats, Republicans, Constitutionalists, and ALL other Patriots to put Party Politics aside and fight against The Charlatan. That's all well and good, but it is not sensible.

Many of us feel very strongly about The Constitution, Conservatism and the direction our country seems to be headed. So strongly, that we are ready to take up arms to stop this desperate rush to Marxism and 'nationalized everything'!

While some of you are still considering strategic behavior and are posturing for the 2010 and 2012 elections, there are those of us who are ready, willing and able to 'make a difference now'! We have worked through the system, we have written our letters, we have made our phone calls, we have faxed our letters of disapproval. We understand that we are being ignored.

Some of you may be shocked by the 'tone' of readiness in Mr. Sewell's words, but let me remind you that if you are not prepared for the worst, then, when 'the worst' begins to happen you will be either left behind or an early casualty.

No body is suggesting an overthrow of the government by force. We are not a banana republic, yet.

But let me remind you that this new government means to deprive all of us of our Constitutional rights by any means necessary and joining the "Citizens of The World" as a dues paying member with fealty to a New World Order.

Stand ready or expect to fall.

Max

[Maggie Passaro]

I say we should become the "NON_PARTY" PARTY...once we gain momemtum , "they" will have to sit up and listen. One of the first things is to insist that ALL parties are included equaly in all debates....and the "MEDIA" has NO say about it. . Reform is needed on campaign money issue....I say, ONE big fund divided equally among all the candidates....after ( qualifying as eligible). NO MORE un-even campaign funds by large corporations, or private to any one individual ,or party.There should be ONE channel....for all government issues...including (and Especially ) elections. Since we have all digital signal now....we don't need cable to recieve congressional transmit of the house meetings....and so on. this all needs refinement...as does all ideas for reform...but at least we are aware that the reform is needed.

[Max]

Jack, You need to put Mr. Sewell's remarks in context.
As one nears the end of one's life expectancy, clarity of purpose becomes very important.

I understand him very well. He is simply saying that he would rather die for his flag and his country that to sit on the side lines and watch his beloved country disappear before his eyes.

Maybe you take exception to his zeal... So be it.
But to characterize him as a crackpot or spy or some other shit disturber is patently absurd.

As they say, "slow down, you'll often get a better outcome."

Max

[Max]

Gettin' a little testy, huh Jack?

Max