" Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." Patrick Henry, During Virginia Ratification Convention 1788
For many it is all about the constitution....gentlemen and ladies....it is about the liberties guaranteed us by the constitution. If I so wish, I can give all I own to anyone. But no man has the right to tell me what I must give others. I am sovereign over me and mine. But that is no longer so true....look around you! What do you really own? Try not paying your property taxes and see what YOU own.....the various governments have taken your rights, your lives through taxation, your sacred fortunes, and now those same men are stealing the sacred fortunes of your generations.
I am myself a charitable person, but I resent the tyranny that abounds, the lack of liberty....the tyranny imposed by state and local constabularies, courts and tax collectors.It is not enough that there is a serious question about a certain someone's actual citizenship!
Those on the "government" power trip will fight, those who call themselves government will not give up that power without attempts to stomp out the dissidents and subjugate the general populace.....the camps are already purportedly being built and/or renovated.....
Men are not want of war, but are want of the freedom and liberty to bring forth the goodness that can be had from a world free of tyrannical thieves such as our own rulers have become. I do not use the word government because that is an institution that no longer exists with we the people.
Today those who call themselves "government" are in fact thieves and corrupt men who turn a blind eye to almost any wrong doing. They are persons of little, if any ethic, borne on the shoulders of inept persons. Persons with no will or thought of their own. I can now understand why it was absolutely necessary to make it possible for even the most uneducated to vote. The uneducated are easily duped and believe that the government can provide something for nothing, many people, given the opportunity to take the easy way out, will take it. It looks like most of America voted for the easy way out this time around. This election has made a very good case for the literacy exam. If you want to vote you must be able to read….gee, what a novel concept that you would actually have an idea or an inkling of what you are voting for.
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship." Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at The University of Edinburgh)
I myself served in the military for 20 plus years as an intelligence analyst........I have seen first- hand the effects of tyranny. The indicators of tyranny are here.....I am not sure that the "popular support" is here for the force required to bring about adherence to the constitution....I am afraid for my fellow man.....may the sheep wear their chains lightly.....it will be a question as to how long we allow the ascending tyranny to be a yoke upon us before enough people say….ENOUGH! But, as a friend of mine so aptly put it; Five percent of the people make things happen, ten percent of the people watch things happen, and eighty five percent of the people stand around wondering what the hell just happened.
I fear that while many men have the will to say “enough” today, they are too soft or afraid......these men are too imbued with the nine to five work mentalities to break away from the gladiatorial games and the TV. I watch some news on TV. That news is laced with falsehoods and propaganda. A little further on I will go into how propaganda works. The one thing the media knows how to do is drive home the fear necessary to make a compliant population. I do my own research and have always been somewhat unpopular for asking the hard questions. The obvious questions that so many people ignore for convenience sake. The emporer's new clothes so often aren’t, as we well know. Men will say, "I have a family", "I have to worry about my job", "I have bills to pay"! Yup for the time being maybe. But Bush sold most of those good jobs to the third world. You must suffer so the third world might have it better. I'm sorry, I must say I am selfish and the jobs of my countrymen comes first. I am willing to work hard for what I have. I am not for getting bailed out nor am I for bailing anyone out, especially not big business.
Make no mistake, the two party system is under one roof, under one cause, and many really don't care as long as the system gets your sacred fortune. I am saying it would not have mattered if McCain or Obama got elected, this debate is long overdue. Although McCain would have taken the citizenship question out of the equation. But the citizenship question may well be the only saving grace to the constitution and liberty, that the question of Barry's citizenship is the catalyst that will lead to the watering of the tree of liberty to ensure a healthy existence...though the act will be hard on those patriots and tyrants who's blood must water the tree.
Benjamin Franklin had much to say for those who are willing to just go with the flow.......
“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” Ben Franklin
This seems to convey why we were set up as a democratic republic instead of an absolute democracy....but democratic values have taken over.......
"America (or perhaps Democracy) is a great experiment, and will last just as long as it takes 51 percent of the people figure out that they can extract a living from the other 49 percent." (UNKNOWN) So, what are we doing in this hand basket, and where are we going? Are we there yet?
Men who have obtained and tasted power are very reticent to put down that power, not realizing that the power is of and from the people....that the people are the only reason for existence of government, that the general safety of the republic is their true concern and not the welfare of each and every one of us. Our personal safety is our personal responsibility, many have forgotten this aspect. I often ask people, if the world ended tomorrow, and you and your family were the only persons left on the face of the earth, who would care for you? How would you survive? Quite simply, personal responsibility would once again come into play.
Today the rulers are on a great experiment with our government, our country, our constitution, and our money. That experiment will not stop until we the people make the experiment stop and put the necessary restraints in place to keep the thieves from doing the same failed experiment again.
There will be a move within the next couple of years (if not sooner) to quash any type of rhetoric better known as the truth. The fearful sheep and their terrible shepherds (the ruling class elite wolves who call themselves government) will only feel placated when all free men bear no arms, for the sheep and wolves fear free and willful men who are sheepdogs....and the terrible shepherds will hunt the sheepdogs, and will put down those sheepdogs as though the sheepdogs are rabid.....
Unless there is a reigning in of the government which already ignores the pleadings of the people we will simply act as subjects....which we are.....unless we band together the oppressors will pick us off one at a time, if we band together there will be a fight.....and so there is likely to be a fight.....
Maybe that is why people are buying arms and ammo like nobody's business.......they smell the coming fight.
John Stewart Mill made some very clear statements that influenced our constitution.....
On the sovereignty of the individual........
"The sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right...The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign."
He also had some thoughts about the revolution itself......
"But war, in a good cause, is not the greatest evil which a nation can suffer. War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice – a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice – is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other."
Now that I have read what Mill actually wrote, this idea will likely make a bigger difference in my life.
Okay, this is how propaganda works….this is what the US Military uses from Mill’s quote to gode young men into “doing the right thing”. I know, been there, read that, and it made a big difference in my life. If you cannot see the difference, and what that difference might make in a man's thinking, I cannot help you.
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
Sure does seem to have a different intent than Mill’s original quote, just thought I would drop that in there.
For more on the propaganda angle please visit http://blog.tonystruth.com/2008/10/21/from-history-we-learn-the-importance-of-propaganda--barack-obama-style.aspx
And simple reading often suffices….I think these guys really left little doubt in their words. This requires little if any analysis to see what the forefathers had in mind with the second amendment But today, maybe, supposedly, much greater minds have my well being at heart, thank you Mr. Brady, NOT!
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." (Second Amendment to the Constitution.)
GEORGE WASHINGTON (First President)
"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference. When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." (Address to 1st session of Congress)
THOMAS JEFFERSON (Author of Declaration of Independence, member Continental Congress, Governor of Virginia, Minister to France, Secretary of State, Vice President, 3rd President )
"On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." 12 Jun 1823 (The Complete Jefferson p.32)
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (Jefferson Papers)
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." (Thomas Jefferson Papers)
"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Letter to William S. Smith 13 Nov 1787 (Jefferson, On Democracy)
"The few cases wherein these things (proposed Bill of Rights) may do evil, cannot be weighed against the multitude where the want of them will do evil...I hope therefore a bill of rights will be formed to guard the people against the federal government..." (letter to Madison 31 July 1788, The Papers of James Madison, Hobson & Rutland, p.11:212)
"I have a right to nothing which another has a right to take away." (letter to Uriah Forrest, 1787, Jefferson Papers, 12:477)
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." (letter to Isaac Tifany, 1819)
GEORGE MASON (Virginia House of Burgesses, Virginia delegate to Constitutional Convention, wrote Virginia Declaration of Rights, wrote "Objections to the Constitution", urged creation of a Bill of Rights)
"I ask, Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." (Jonathan Elliot, The Debates of the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, [NY: Burt Franklin,1888] p.425-6)
"Forty years ago, when the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised...to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually, by totally disusing and neglecting the militia..." (In Virginia's Ratifying Convention, Elliot p.3:379-380)
"The militia may be here destroyed by that method which has been practiced in other parts of the world before; that is, by rendering them useless - by disarming them." (Elliot, p. 3:379-80)
"I consider and fear the natural propensity of rulers to oppress the people. I wish only to prevent them from doing evil." (In Virginia's Ratifying Convention, Elliot p.3:381)
JOHN ADAMS (Signed Declaration of Independence, Continental Congress delegate, 1st Vice President, 2nd President)
"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense..." 1788(A Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the USA, p.471)
JAMES MONROE (Served in Revolutionary Army, member Continental Congress, Governor of Virginia, U.S. Secretary of State, Secretary of War, 5th President)
"But it ought always be held prominently in view that the safety of these States and of everything dear to a free people must depend in an eminent degree on the militia." (his first Inaugural Address, 1817)
SAM ADAMS (Signed Declaration of Independence, organized the Sons of Liberty, participated in Boston Tea Party, Member of Continental Congress, Governor of Massachusetts)
"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the right of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; ...or to prevent the people from petitioning , in a peaceable and orderly manner; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possessions." (Debates of the Massachusetts Convention of 1788, p86-87)
JAMES MADISON (Drafted Virginia Constitution, Member of Continental Congress, Virginia delegate to Constitutional Convention, named "Father of the Constitution", author of Federalist Papers, author of the Bill of Rights, Congressman from Virginia, Secretary of State, 4th President)
“I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."
"They [proposed Bill of Rights] relate 1st. to private rights....the great object in view is to limit and qualify the powers of government..." 8 June 1789 (The Papers of James Madison, Hobson & Rutland, 12:193, 204)
"To these (federal troops attempting to impose tyranny) would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands." (Federalist Papers #46)
"The advantage of being armed . . . the Americans possess over the people of all other nations . . . Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several Kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in his Federalist Paper No. 46.)
RICHARD HENRY LEE (Signed Declaration of Independence, introduced resolution in Continental Congress to become independent, proposed Bill of Rights from beginning, author of Anti-Fed Papers, Congressman and Senator from Virginia)
"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms." 1788 (Federal Farmer, p.169)
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henry Lee, Virginia delegate to the Continental Congress, initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights.)
"No free government was ever founded, or ever preserved its liberty, without uniting the characters of the citizen and soldier in those destined for the defense of the state... Such are a well regulated militia, composed of the freeholders, citizens and husbandman, who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen."
PATRICK HENRY ('Liberty or Death' Speech, member of Continental Congress, Governor of Virginia, member Virginia convention to ratify U.S. Constitution, urged creation of Bill of Rights for Constitution )
"I am not well versed in history, but I will submit to your recollection, whether liberty has been destroyed most often by the licentiousness of the people, or by the tyranny of rulers. I imagine, sir, you will find the balance on the side of tyranny." (Elliot P.3:74)
"My great objection to this government is, that it does not leave us the means of defending our rights, or of waging wars against tyrants." (Elliot, 3:47-48; in Virginia Ratifying Convention, before Bill of Rights)
"O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone..." (Elliot p.3:50-52, in Virginia Ratifying Convention demanding a guarantee of the right to bear arms.)
"The great object is that every man be armed . . . Everyone who is able may have a gun." (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution.)
NOAH WEBSTER (Served in Revolutionary Army, Printed dictionary; a federalist)
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed...." (An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, Webster1787)
"A people can never be deprived of their liberties, while they retain in their own hands, a power sufficient to any other power in the state." (Webster, p.42-43)
ALEXANDER HAMILTON (Member of Continental Congress, Aid-de-camp to General Washington, commanded forces at Yorktown, New York delegate to the Constitutional Convention, wrote Federalist Papers, 1st Secretary of Treasury for George Washington, wanted 'President for life')
"Little more can reasonably be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed and equipped." (Federalist Papers #29)
TENCH COXE (friend of Madison, member of Continental Congress)
"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American...(T)he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." (Freeman's Journal, 20 Feb 1778)
"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." (introduction to his discussion, and support, of the 2nd Amend) "Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution" Philadelphia Federal Gazette, 18 June 1789, pg.2
"The militia, who are in fact the effective part of the people at large, ...will form a powerful check upon the regular troops..." (Coxe, An Examination of the Constitution of the United States of America p.20-21)
REPRESENTATIVE WILLIAMSON (member of the first Congress of the United States)
"The burden of the militia duty lies equally upon all persons;" in Congress, 22 Dec 1790 (Elliot, p423)
Now who wants to debate the true meaning of the second amendment?
The sheeple have the blinders on, at least those wearing the blinders won't see what is about to hit them. They will simply die (or be subjugated) stupid, and not terrified.
No man will stand alone in the coming storm.....he will surely hang apart.....if he bucks the system. He will have no safety either way.
The only things I know.......there will be danger, there will be death, there will be hunger, there will be suffering and shortages, and true lack of many things, there will be uncertainty, rumor, conjecture......whether there is liberty or not.....but there will be liberty....for if we die, is it not better to die and have liberty from tyranny in the earth's cold bosom than to live under oppression? Men of will, who are want to be free, who are obstinate to tyranny will be branded with many names and die alone unless they hang together......Another thing I can promise, freedom is not free, renewed freedom, nor subjugation, will be a peaceful affair. So take your pick trial and tribulation on the road to tyranny, or trouble and tribulation on the road to liberty.....if you succeed.
There are only two things that keep men from being truly free.....the fear of death and the fear of destitution. I would suggest that many more will be destitute at the re-distributionist's hand, so that obstacle will be removed. and as Janice Joplin so aptly put it "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose".
So the question people must ask themselves; Do I live peacefully, muted, subjugated, hungry, and in fear for my welfare? Or do I live free of the subjugation that others would put upon me though it mean my death?
“The difference between perseverance and obstinacy is that one often comes from a strong will, and the other from a strong won’t.”...Henry Ward Beecher
So when is enough, enough?
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson
Where are the next Jefferson and Washington?
The questions remain, "who has the will, where and when do we assemble, and who will lead"?
A sovereign person sworn to protect the constitution, and most of all
FOR what the constitution stands