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Romans:13

" 1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor."

Any thoughts?

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Comment by Matt Matlock on January 29, 2009 at 11:06pm
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Comment by Harry Riley on January 30, 2009 at 12:28am
Does this mean our Founding Fathers instituted an ungodly government because they resisted the crown? Our Founders Obviously didn't think so.... The Founding Fathers recognized a supreme governing authority for their strength, wisdom, and guidance, from which the US Constitution, Bill of Rights were produced as "lawful" direction for America. The Crown was not "God's servant to do ...good", it was a terror to those that petitioned freedom...In America today, lawful government means an authority that adheres to the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, as an instrument of God, first and foremost...the US Constitution was ordained of God so it follows that any US government that does not follow the US Constitution is not a "lawful" government, is not ordained by God, is evil in God's sight, and those add their policies that do evil are to be resisted. The current White House resident is acting in an "unlawful manner" by refusing to abide by the US Constitution in the most basic aspect of law..."truth". Rather than being truthful and obedient to the US Constitution, he is being deceptive, deceiving, anything but transparent before the American people. Authority that is "established" by God does not kill babies by the millions, jab a knife in the skull of a baby exiting the birth canal, support man-man/woman-woman marriage, condone homosexual practice, support all manner pornography, on and on...God cannot look on evil but will punish those that engage, to include false prophets, and false authority...

The White House resident is defying God in at least three ways: 1. Failing to confirm his qualification to serve in accordance with the US Constitution, his lawful obligation to do so; 2. His support of all manner of evil, despicable, immoral practices; and 3. Violating the oath to "protect and defend the United States Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.
Comment by Tom Wright on January 30, 2009 at 12:55am
Matt, I perceive that you are conflicted by your love for the Bible and its exhortations to believers and your love for the Constitution. Maybe I can help.

A fellow named Robert Hawes (rhawes73@gmail.com) wrote an article titled, "The 'Higher Powers': Martial Law vs. Christian Responsibility" that helped me a lot on this same issue. Among his points were the following.

If we lived in the Soviet Union, then as Christians we would be subject to the government, as you read in Romans 13, because the USSR would be the "Higher Power." But we don't. We live in the USA, where all government employees swear an oath before God to our country's "Higher Power," the Constitution of the United States, including the limitations that that Constitution places on those government employees. The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land.

Those uniformed troopers, who hand-cuffed honest law-abiding citizens (after Katrina) without any arrest or probable cause, and ransacked their homes, without a search warrant, were no longer agents of that higher power, but rather criminals who were violating the Constitution and their own oaths to abide by it.

Consider Article IV, Section IV of the Constitution:

"The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence."

Republican government is civil, representative government; martial law, for example, is military rule. Since the former is specifically guaranteed here, the latter is necessarily precluded. This provision, which our government officials are sworn to support as being part of the supreme law of the land, makes martial law unconstitutional and thus illegal. The moment that martial law is declared, the federal government will have stepped outside of its sphere of lawful powers. In fact, in a very real way it will have conducted a revolution, as it will have overthrown the legitimate government of the Constitution by force of arms."

Note also that the Apostle Paul was arguing that Christians should support the "higher powers" because government is ordained by God to be "an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil." "Rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior," Paul tells us, "but for evil," after which he admonishes us to be "in subjection not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake." So what then of a government which, instead of punishing evil, actually practices evil itself? Can Paul have been suggesting that Christians should view the evil actions of a lawless power as somehow bearing the approval of God? Can a Christian either condone or submit to evil doings "for conscience’ sake"? Is it possible to do good by sanctioning, submitting to, or participating in evil? As Paul himself was fond of saying, "God forbid!"

Try to find Robert F. Hawes, Jr.'s article out there on the Web. I'm sure it's out there, somewhere............ I just Googled it....Go read it at: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/hawes4.html

It is well worth the read.

So, was this helpful, Matt?
Comment by Matt Matlock on January 30, 2009 at 8:00am
In all honestly Tom, I am not conflicted at all. Without going into my Religious convictions, I know where my heart and where my sword lie and it is not with this Government. My post was because, if you see the links I posted below, this passage is being used to get around 20,000 Pastors across the Nation to work for FedGov in assisting during times of "Chaos, Civil Turmoil or Martial Law". As one preacher says in a video easily found on the internet, serving the Government is God's Will and if they deem Guns to be outlawed, we will support their efforts and then sort it out once it's all over.

I was simply curious, in making this posting, whether anyone had heard of these FedGov efforts and what everyone might think about them. Don't worry about me though Tom, we're not conflicted over here.
Comment by Steven G. Elliott on February 2, 2009 at 10:46am
We must be Citizens of the Kingdom of GOD first and as such we must be ambassadors the United States of America. We live in this country that has been taken over by Satan, but we need not be part of it. We must obey legal laws, but but not when they are completely against the law of GOD. We have a GOD given right to protect ourselves and our families.
Comment by Steven G. Elliott on February 2, 2009 at 10:47am
Matt, I think I will be in your area in late March. Steve
Comment by Matt Matlock on February 4, 2009 at 8:28am
James,
The scary thing about this, if you read the articles I posted at the beginning, The FedGov has recruited over 20,000 preachers across the country to support the FedGov, Martial Law, Gun Confiscation - whatever - when it happens by telling his "Flock" to follow the law, it's God's Will, and it will all be sorted out later. Awful nice of the FedGov to attack people's soft underbelly.
Comment by Matt Matlock on February 4, 2009 at 9:08am
Is this my view? In two simple words - Hell No. Unlike others here, I do not hold the Bible as penned by God himself. My relationship with God is one that has developed through a critical mind, historical knowledge and questions that cannot be answered by any Mortal. The point here to this post is that many people DO take the Bible as penned by God, and Pastors, Preachers and Priests to be servants of that same God. I do believe that MANY people will, if told to do so by their Religious Leader, simply lay down their arms, submit to the "Lawful" authorities and essentially "Do what you're told". I have seen that same unquestioning support in other areas.

However, there are those who do not recognize any Authority of Man to be able and commit atrocities against a Free and Independent People - hopefully the sides will switch from one to other as this thing continues. So, I posted this because I'm aware of the Government Program to coerce, buy and convince Preachers Nationwide to help maintain, ironically, their flock as loyal Government stooges, spies and slaves.

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