When all hell breaks loose here, the economy collapses and/or Bottom Up caused Top Down....what do you think is going to happen to our troops that are deployed to sand box hell holes ?



We have to be honest with ourselves and know what it means “when all hell breaks loose”.

First thing is the economy collapse: The dollar becomes worthless; the average person/family cannot buy supplies to support their self or family.  Unemployment at an all time high and burglaries and looting is rampant.  People not prepared are starting to die.

The Government is finally in a panic and doesn’t know what to do.  If Obama is still in office he declares Martial Law and establishes curfews.  All travel stops.  Banks close and the Post Office no longer delivers mail.  Everyone feels the shrinking sense of hope and depression sets in.  More deaths occur.  Hospitals no longer take regular patients and many close.  Only those employed by the government have access to basic needs.  They grab control of everything; gasoline is rationed, food purchases are made by allowance and only for those who have managed to keep some cash.  All oil products will be mandated for government use first.  Whatever they cannot control they outlaw.  They start to seize all guns.  Riots break out.

Shortages of all food items in all stores occur due to the lack of gasoline to make deliveries.  The utilities may still be working if there are no outages due to breakage, accidents or acts of God.  Depending on the time of year, people freeze, people have heat related emergencies.  Water in some areas may be scarce.  More riots are breaking out and more people die.

Forest fires burn unchecked, and relief for floods, tornadoes and hurricanes can no longer be had.  In less than a month all government services will be shut down and the riots that have been plaguing the cities has moved to the rural areas.  The gang bangers rule the night.  Ambushes start to occur in broad daylight.

Call it poetic justice but only the elite that can afford security have any mobility and even that will end due to the amount of violence from the mobs.  The movie industry collapses.  All radio & TV are now propaganda tools of the government.  The internet has been shut down.  All communications become limited and under the control of the government.

All this and we have our military in Hell holes across the world and a government that may or may not want them to come home.  It all depends on who is in control of the Government.



What do we do to have their backs?

This is not a post for people to jump to assumptions that our troops are going to come home shooting people. These troops are our sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, moms, dads, husbands, wives, uncles, aunts, cousins............these men and women (troops) are our family - Not our enemy.

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OK Folks, It seems no one willing or is capable of answering Twana's question.  I have nibbled around the edges of it but as I read the comments it looks like it needs another approach.


This issue is so far under the radar the troops overseas will NOT be a priority when ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE (the SHTF) unless they are fully controlled to do as ordered, even fire on their brothers and sisters if so ordered.  There is only one thing in my opinion that can be done to insure they get the attention that will be required at that time to get them home.

ASK the question, "How will they get home when the economy collapses?"  to everyone you know and don't know.  Get it out there that it is a concern of yours & your family.  All Vets and all who have family members currently serving whether overseas or not (you never know when they will get that assignment) should be asking their Congressional do nothing and all of their family members.  Get their support and have them start asking WHAT IF?.  Start asking anyone that can put it in the media.  Ask the question in your local "letters to the editor".  Ask it on all the internet sites you frequent including Facebook.  Anyone know a videographer that could produce a UTube video?  If done ther right way it could go viral and force the MSM to ask the question also.

By raising awareness you will cause others to ask the same question.  Besides as I said earlier THE FED MONITORS ALL PATRIOT SITES.  Anything you can think up will cause the enemy (OUR CURRENT GOVERNMENT) to devise a strategy, a roadblock, if you will and most involved will find a residence change to one of those FEMA camps we have all heard about.  As Clarence and others have said, get prepared yourself.  How do you expect to help anyone if you are not and need help from all those in the same boat as you?

I think what Twana tried to tell you all, Strategy, Conjecture, and Planning does not belong in this Topic.  Start your own and I wish you well and hope the Feds are merciful.

Semper Fi, phrowt

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So ,what officials are the first choice to petition - - our Reserve and national Guard commanders along with our Governors and State legislators and our congressmen in D.C.

I'll start a draft, as other should too. That can be cullewd and compiled into paragraphs to make a powerful and cognizant arguement. I'm going to spread the idea as could Rafaele and Seargent Clough.  I will ask some local folks to key in on this link to assist in writing and disseminating . I'll drop off my first "scribble" with you.....How about JB and company are they tuned into this?

I'm not quite sure what you're up to but I would be willing to assist.  I'm a fair hand at composing a letter given some facts to start.  If you're planning on a letter writing campaign to bring the troops home you are probably butting your head against a stone wall.  I would also advise a great deal of caution if you intend to include the original premise of this discussion.  Also, remember that except for the National Guard your state reps and governor will have very little influence.

With something like this you write them and call them and certain of them - -fax them and find  any way short of throwing a rock through their window to get their ear .  If we do this we should have a check list and a list of to contact and CONTACTED, EXPECTED Waiting time till FOLLOW UP.  Their will be principal player contacts - -ie. -officials and peripheral contacts, (ie churches, lions, kiwannis, chambers of commerce).  If Twana delegates this, out with some help from us and planning, this can Go without aborting or fizzling.  NOW MARV, (Can I call Ya Marv - - Call Me Rich), I'm just spouting ideas, I push broom as good as pencil.   You can tell me to "F" off anytime if I'd be off course.....Whew, AMEN>

Rich you can call me anything but later for dinner.  You need to ask Twana to share with you the email I sent her yesterday.  Everything we are discussing here is important and relevant, however, there are some other things to be considered.

Also, we must remember that CAIR has been working to put staffers in every Congressman and government office. It's probably they who would actually open our letters. The question is would the Representatives even know they arrive, or would they be turned over to the Islamists in Justice and Homeland Security to take action against us?

Maybe all letters should be addressed to home and district offices instead of Washington DC offices. I think they're (the addresses)  available on the Congressional web site.

Did you see the video of Sen. Sessions questioning Panetta and the General before him. All those supposed officers behind Panetta looked as though they held the Senate in derision. I'm really thinking we have not only to views of America out there, but two groups of military. We've been infiltrated and need to find a way to communicate with the ones who are truly committed to their oaths, without them being arrested for conspiring against the government, because I think that's what they're hoping to accomplish if they can't force them out with all the emphasis on the gay stuff.

Don't bet on it Doc.  They abandoned almost 30,000 to the Soviets at the end of WWII and hundreds from Korea and Vietnam were taken to the Soviet Union and nary a peep from the politicians.  The generals, to included Marshall and Eisenhower, were aware of what was going on. The only one who seemed willing to talk was Patton and there is strong evidence to suggest that he was assassinated to keep him quiet.  When Eisenhower, as president, was was shown evidence that American POW s were being sent from Korea to the Soviet Union his response was, "bury it".

Strange the impressions that we can have of public figures to think they can be 180 out on certain issues.  I can remember at 14 yrs. old thinking what nice people Dwight and Mamie appeared to be.  Say Marv I copy pasted the letter and have looked at it about 1 1/2 times. I have to "digest" that, or more like the camel bring it up again, chew on it and swallow it a few times before it will "'re make" the idea of how i could/should/can function. This speaks to "WE" more thanit does to "I".  Also  we know others who have to count on us.    

There are several scenarios that come immediately to mind.  If they think the troops are politically reliable they will bring them back to the states to reinforce those here in CONUS.  Another option would be to pull them out of the hell holes that they are in and move them to staging areas in relatively safe areas such as Germany to prepare them mentally to return to a very hostile USA.  You can rest assured that with this option there will be a lot of psychological conditioning (brainwashing) going on.  The last option would be to pull out those considered politically reliable and abandon the remainder to fend for themselves.  This would mean that they would have to fight their way to some neutral or friendly country.  As horrific as this last option is I would not put it past the likes of Body Odor and Dempsey to do it.  While this may be a really wild theory I can't help but wonder if SSG Bales may have been given some mind altering drug in order to induce him to do what he did.  It certainly would not be the first time that the government has done this.  The reason for this would be to further deteriorate already bad relations between the Afghans and the NATO forces and provide a reason for speeding up withdrawal.  This would be especially true if they feel they will need more boots on the ground here in the states come November.

First we have to do all that we can do to support our troops, whether they be overseas or here in the States.  Secondly, we have to work like never before to win this election so that our current "leader" is sent packing and we can begin the cleaning of the government itself by ridding it of departments that are no longer providing anything of value to the country, and then we will also get rid of all those working for the government that are not doing their fair share and also the unions that are dragging us down to the hole of Communism (or at least: Socialism).  Then, we go for the equality of pay that the military deserves so that more will decide that it is worthwhile to stay on active duty for the long term.  And finally, we MUST fix the Veterans Affairs Department so that those who have done their best to keep us free will be taken care of for the rest of their lives, and not have to worry about increased fees and other charges that reduce their pay or retirement benefits that they earned.



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