I have supported President Trump without qualification before and during his presidency. I support him now but not on "Red Flag" gun confiscation.
This issue has been on my mind for some time. Today, Chuck Baldwin's message has added to my worries of losing my constitutional rights and Pastor Baldwin outlines the many dangers associated with "Red Flag" laws and my freedom.
I fought out of the fox-hole for my and your Constitutional Rights and I won't support a law that gives some whiny individual that might not like me, fabricate some story about my behavior, that might cause a gestapo type door busting raid on my home in the middle of the night. It is too dangerous for me not to speak up.
I urge all to read Pastor Baldwin's message, call your Senators and Representative in Washington, D.C. and oppose any type "Red Flag" law(s) that ignores my constitutional right, locks me up, and makes me prove my innocence. Don't think this couldn't happen!!!
I'm disappointed in President Trump in taking a position that appears to support "Red Flag" legislation...........don't wait for someone else to take action, we must individually take action and urge all our friends to do the same. We are dangerously close to losing a major constitutional right if we sit back and "let someone else do it".
Call your US Senators and Representative at your earliest opportunity.....and don't stop with one call. Call many times. God help us.
By Chuck Baldwin
August 22, 2019
As I said in this column last week, Republicans Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio are joining forces with liberal Democrats to soon enact “red flag” gun confiscation laws. I also reported on the push for the enactment of other gun control measures such as universal background checks being promoted on Capitol Hill and by the White House here.
Yes, Donald Trump is calling for “red flag” gun confiscation laws and universal background checks. Trump said, “I have an appetite for background checks. We’re going to be doing background checks. We’re going to be filling in . . . the loopholes.”
I urge readers to watch my 8-minute video exposing Donald Trump’s betrayal of his promise to protect the 2nd Amendment and share it with as many of your friends as you can. If we don’t convince our U.S. senators to reject these egregious gun control measures, THEY WILL BE PASSED, AND TRUMP WILL SIGN THEM INTO LAW. We have about two or three weeks to convince our senators to reject these new gun control laws. That’s it.
Please watch the video and share it with everyone you can.
If law-abiding gun owners don’t call their U.S. senators en masse, and I mean posthaste, you are very likely to wake up one morning around 4am to the sound of a SWAT team breaking down your door to confiscate your guns, prepared to kill you or any member of your family who resists. Why? Perhaps because a gun-hating neighbor hates you having guns or a relative doesn’t like you and is looking for any way to “teach you a lesson” or your ex-spouse is looking for any way to “get even” with you or an anti-gun cop with a grudge wants to send a political message or a family doctor or school teacher overheard one of your children talk about how many guns daddy has and became alarmed, etc., ad infinitum.
Plus, the FBI has just recently stated that if you believe in “conspiracy theories,” you are a “domestic terrorist threat.” That statement is from an FBI intelligence bulletin from the bureau’s Phoenix field office, dated May 30, 2019. That FBI designation alone could very easily precipitate a “red flag” gun confiscation order being rendered against you.
And Donald Trump himself recently demonstrated how dangerous “red flag” laws are. In a tweet on August 13, President Trump said,
Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldn’t be allowed to have any weapon. He’s nuts!
Are you paying attention? Donald Trump was threatening to use a “red flag” law to authorize police agencies to take away an American citizen’s Natural God-given right of self-defense simply because Trump didn’t like what the citizen said—about him.
Folks, don’t you see? Those in authority can use “red flag” gun confiscation laws against ANYONE they want and for ANY REASON they want.
In other words, there doesn’t have to be a reason. Under “red flag” laws, all it takes for police to come and seize your guns is for someone to make a “red flag” accusation against you. That’s it. And, yes, it really IS that easy.
“Red flag” laws not only eviscerate the 2nd Amendment, but the 1st Amendment, 4th Amendment, 5th Amendment, 6th Amendment, 7th Amendment and 8th Amendment.
The enforcement of “red flag” laws is actually much worse than you think, so says Donald Kilmer, an attorney who has litigated and defended against many state and federal gun charges.
Everyone is debating “red flag” laws like they’re some new thing, but California has had variations of them for decades. We call them domestic violence restraining orders, civil harassment restraining orders, workplace restraining orders, elder abuse restraining orders, mental health seizures and prohibition orders, and, more recently, gun violence restraining orders.
They’re all meant to disarm dangerous people — but they’re all fundamentally flawed.
None of these red flag laws would have prevented recent mass shootings. And in my 23 years practicing law in the heart of Silicon Valley, I have litigated dozens of these cases. I’ve seen firsthand the practical enforcement problems that emerge in real-life cases.
These kinds of court orders are usually obtained from a judge ex parte. That’s fancy Latin for: The judge only hears one side of the story, it is not your side, and you may not even know about it until after the fact. Then they immediately strip you of fundamental constitutional rights for the duration of the orders. You’ll get your “full due process” hearing, but not until later.
And any violation of these orders is separately punishable as a crime. So even if you are innocent of the underlying conduct that inspired the “red flag” order, if you violate the order pending your hearing, you can still face criminal charges.
That kind of situation is ripe for danger. In one situation in Baltimore, police ended up shooting [and killing] a man when they came to collect his guns under a “red flag” law.
In one case in Southern California, a client had to pay a $1,000 ransom, that was reduced from an initial “offer” of $4,000, to get his 50-gun collection back.
Experienced counsel to defend you in a “due process” hearing will run about $15,000 in fees. If you lose and want to appeal, expect to spend another $25,000 to $100,000 in fees and costs. And even with all of that, you might still lose.
To win these hearings, you have to refute an allegation that you pose a danger to yourself or others where a judge already issued a temporary ex parte order that concluded you were already a danger. Many judges will likely err on the side of caution, and against your rights.
As a practical matter, if the government’s interest is in separating a potentially-dangerous person from guns, it makes no sense to leave other guns that belong to family members in the home. So, if you live with someone that gets a red flag order issued against them, then you and others living in the same home risk losing your guns, too.
Even if you win, the judge isn’t going to just hand your guns back to you at the end of the hearing. It’s probably a good idea to “lawyer up” just to go through the process of recovering your guns, so you don’t go to jail or prison for accidentally breaking an obscure firearm law or regulation. You wouldn’t want to set off a red flag.
Law-abiding gun owners better get a big whiff of reality SOON and realize that if they are going to maintain the right to keep and bear arms much longer, THEY must step up to the plate and defend that right—and I mean RIGHT NOW.
The NRA is compromised and is in complete disarray and is offering NO HELP. Donald Trump has already proven he has ZERO fidelity to the 2nd Amendment (or to the rest of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, for that matter). Most Christians and conservatives are in a state of deep denial and hibernation, believing that their yellow-haired savior would never betray them, in spite of the fact that he has already betrayed them—repeatedly.
It is up to individual freedomists and gun owners who are willing to fight for their right to keep and bear arms to fend off this assault against our 2nd Amendment liberties. Reinforcements are not coming; it is up to YOU AND ME.
How much does the 2nd Amendment mean to you? Each of us will determine the answer to that question by what we do or do not do RIGHT NOW.
P.S. I, again, URGE readers to watch my 8-minute video regarding Trump’s betrayal of the 2nd Amendment and the push for the enactment of “red flag” gun confiscation laws and share it with everyone you can. In the video, I also include the phone numbers for both the White House and U.S. Senate, where you can call and voice your opposition.
P.P.S. Here is my video Open Letter To Our Legislator, Judges And Lawmen regarding “red flag” gun confiscation laws. Please watch it and share.
© Chuck Baldwin
Here is my prediction on Red-Flag Laws;
If President Donald J. Trump signs ANY of the Red-Flag Laws into law HE WILL LOOSE THE ELECTION IN 2020.
These Red-Flag Laws, either as they are currently written or as however they may be amended, ALL violate every aspect of our Constitution and every aspect of our liberties and freedoms under the Constitution.
If WE-The-People allow these Red-Flag Laws to be enacted into law then there WILL be a civil war.
THERE WILL BE A REAL - VIOLENT - CIVIL WAR.
That's just my opinion, and I am entitled to it.
I will be right there with you, Rooster. I believe the same thing will happen, and I think it will be sooner rather than later just after the President has signed the Red Flag laws into Law.... and it will not take months for actions to be taken either. Too many people now see Donald J. Trump's true colors......He had better change his tune (not looney toon), or he will be getting an education on what infringement means.
red flags are not the solution, most of the recent perps were reported to the athorities without follow up,,,
Use a test for drugs, Zoloft,,,etc and take their guns away. It would be a good idea to jail the doctor that is treating someone that go's "POSTAL"
I'm all in. I've caught much flak for my opposition to this "red flag" tyranny and it ain't shut me up. I've been on this PFA discussion for some years now. I'll keep it short, for now: more to come. I AM IN with PFA in stopping this lawlessness.
Thank you Harry, thank you Ron, may God's blessing be with with you brothers.
I believe there has already been several people killed by police and law enforcement officials over these laws.
One that I read said that a Veteran AND HIS WIFE were both killed when police attempted to confiscate his weapons.
All over some "Anonymous" phone call to police and in fact they may have even gotten the address wrong.
These RED-Flag laws are the Communists wet dreams of victory over America, straight out of NAZI Germany and also the Communist manifesto itself.
I won't follow any Prez "blindly",so to speak.However I think trump's
"tweet" may have been mis-read in tone.Didn't andy cuomo say
something about "breaking someone's knees",because he was offended
by a name? Maybe the Prez is pointing out that just because this SOB
"talks like that" then he should be the first to be "red-flagged"and denied
use of weapons?
EXAMPLES must be set,and this is a way of pointing that out.Where
does it end?The lefties sure as hell don't want their own pols "strung up"
first.But anyone else is fair game.
I could be wrong,maybe The Don will let this happen.If he does,I know
He will lose the faith of a LOT of Us here,including myself.Congressional
dems have been obstructing everything this man tries and STILL he has
racked up many accomplishments.
My question is now,if The Don abandons the 2nd,who do we turn to?
We CANNOT let another Ross Perot happen and give it all away!
I agree completely Dan. Thanks.
Please keep watching this thread as we will try to keep up with any new revelations or news on this topic.
Reply by Dan Small, copied and pasted by oldrooster.
Our very future depends on it.People say "for the children"...BS you don't make children safer by disarming their parents at home.THEN they won't be safe anywhere....
The Communists and the liberals think they have now found a way to get around the Second Amendment. We need to stop them dead in their tracks.