You and your 11 armed and trained team mates are at the location where you are seeing this pic from. Your objective is to get ammo and food you heard where stored in the small red roof building on the other side of this valley. This is all enemy controlled ground. each man has 60 plus or minus rounds of ammo including handguns and you only have two explosive charges left. This is why you must get to that supply building! It is 4pm now and is October with a temp of 55 degrees.
What Do You Do? Detail Please......

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Twana

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  • Twana, this is another great question.  I can't wait to learn more!! Thank you for all you do!

  • It's hard to say from the information given.  I would observe the activity in the area as long as possible to see what their usual activities look like.  Obviously, attacking at night -- with Gen III or IV NV stuff -- might tip the scales in our favor, but I would want to know what sort of defenses are at the site.  I would probably not attack, given the above information, unless I was truly desperate; the enemy might well have several hundred defenders with state-of-the-art equipment.  In that case, my attack would be nothing more nor less than suicide.

    Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valor.

    • Ed, you are closest to the truth....recon and then decide to go over the mountain into FRANCE where they have gun control and the opposition is way less .

      Your chance of pulling this off in Switzerland are Zero to NONE...

  • I like high ground and I like dark.  Really hard to say without a better picture.  I would grab two vehicles and have them  at the far end of the picture.  I would pre-position three good shooters up in the tree line directly behind the main building.  I would pre-position three men with one explosive charge up behind the, what looks like, the block barn.  I would have three men in position to slide down the draw ready to go under the road and to the bridge going into the compound.  At 8PM I would have the 2 guys with the vehicles run one of them over the bank down into the stream with the horn shorted.  Then I would have these 2 drive the other vehicle up the road and park the car with the 4 ways on and get out and go up the bank and get into a good firing position.  As this was happening I would have one of the three members up behind the block building set a charge and blow it, more than likely there would be something flammable in it that would help.  This should be enough to bring most of the armed people out to investigate.  I would take them out, collect up and arms and ammo they may have as we would sweep towards the main compound.  with 6 men as the 2 across the road gave cover and the 3 by the bridge gave cover.  At that point it would have to be a real fire-fight for the supplies.  We would not want to take any prisoners.  If we were successful, we would load up their vehicles, head across the bridge where the 3 guys was still covering us.  They would blow the bridge just as we got across and then they would jump in with the team.  The 2 still on the ridge line across the road would wait a few minutes and the proceed as a rear guard.   This is only a rough plan as the picture is not good and there is very little information.

    • Steve; go back and look again at the picture.

      What country has Alps? Chalets? And a FULLY armed citizenry????

      Switzerland.

      Pick your fights where you have the advantage, not the opposition.

      Wingy

  • After dark position a man or two behind each building guard. One man sets an explosion down the hill near the  woods. When the guards focus on the explosion, slit their wind pipes- knock them out.  Disarm them and then bucket brigade the most valuable-accessable supplies out the door to the nearby woods and leave. The second charge could be thrown  to distract or destroy any other approaching troops/ vehicle in pursuit.

    • Sorry Gringo; you would all wind up dead or 'ventillated' as ALL persons in that locale are armed and know how to shoot.

  • Twana, I would leave this alone and find another country in which to search for food.

     

    1. From the landscape and the chalet style building, I would say that this is Switzerland and as everyone knows EVERYONE in that country supplies his own guns and ammo and they ALL are crack shots.

     

    2.  Over the border in France would be better 'pickings' as they have strict gun control...so there is a 90%chance that nobody is going to shoot at you.

    3.  Or, as the large red roofed building looks to be a hotel/restaurant, you park your guns in your car and go in and eat...

    Wingy

  • First of all, one must know the defenses, observation without being observed is a necessity.  People fall into routines unless they design systems that force them not to.  The value of the target is determined by their valuation, and you have to know this.

         Once the forces are identified, means and methods of defense, guard duty and strong points identified, then planning can begin.  The best way to get such things is to have the enemy bring them to you.  The worst way is to let them know you want them.

         They are ensconced in this valley for a reason, they are here to defend something.  If it is the cache of ammo and food, you will have to use imagination.  If it is as an outlying position to be called to defend a larger position, you develop a mission which suggests a full scale attack on the primary "target", making it appear as large as possible, and wait until the "tail end" of their force pulls the stores, and use an ambush for the supplies, the main force which suggested full scale attack being pulled back, and used as the force to separate the trailers from the main force, and then you must fall back and disappear.

         If it is positioned here specifically for defensive posture, the primary defenses will be designed around the lay of the land, if the leader is tactically qualified.  We must always assume so, and at the same time, anticipate using their strong points against them, because that is not what insurgent forces do to well established mainline forces.

          Once the lay of the land is determined, the putting of one's self as holding that position, and using the natural for defensive purposes, only then can one begin to plan.

          One must plan to use the nature of the land which they have chosen, as a weak point, meaning innovative thinking.  If it's impossible to attack, going straight up the middle is a useful tactic, they won't expect it.  The key to success is no different than a "magic trick", one must distract attention from the purpose, and then use the least possible assets to accomplish the main mission, as the smaller it is, the easier it is to keep distraction continuing.

         While it may look like a good defendable position, it has high points all around, on every side.  Either they have outliers as covering fire, who can be taken, if you can outfox them, or they have failed to account for high ground, and you have the means of controlling the action which takes place by fire and forced maneuver.

          If you have a reason to need this cache, numbers mean nothing, what matters is whether it can be done or not.  Simply choosing to win or die is often the sole reason for success, and is almost always an advantage the oppressed own.

         They have to guard it day and night, you only have to know how, when, and how many they are, and their level of alert, understanding of urgency and consequences.  Regardless of anything else, they will become warm and comfortable, you will remain moving cold, and eager to complete a mission.

          The primary issue you must always ascertain is whether those you go against are military vets, trained, and enthused, or HS, police trained, and with city and American mentality.  I hope the vast majority of groups form around military veterans, and I believe there will be a dearth of such among those government operatives if it comes to this.

         Just because there are vets among the government does not close out an operation, but it changes it entirely.  You then also have to consider the possibility of attracting dissent and giving cause for vets to break out and join the resistance.  Most vets will be there solely because they have time left on contracts and are feeling between a rock and a hard place.  You want them to know the government is going to lose, we won't let a rogue criminal government presume to rule us.

         More than any other thing, if you plan to win, and you have no plans for failure, you have every reason to throw it all in, and no reason to hold back, and this is an asset the enemy can't have.  They know they are wrong, criminal, and while they may feel they have good cause and reason, they are morally at a disadvantage.

         When the urge is to make your move at night, know it is wrong, and chosen out of fear.  Make a strong feint at night, do your best to imply loss of personnel, loss of life, and retreat.  If it is well defended, do this several times, but make the real move when it would appear to be the worst possible time.

        Police often assume change of guard is a time of power, two shifts there simultaneously, ease in putting a full complement on the street, however long practice, plenty of experience of paperwork at shift change, fixing all the errors, and "leaders" absent, in conference, doing their "pass down", to be passed down after the commotion has settled, that is the reality of shift change, and you have the best opportunity for "too many chefs in the kitchen".

        These are the tactical considerations which make it possible for a handful of people to take total control of a full complement of military trained enemy, and it is possible because it is presumed impossible at that moment.

         Every environment, every situation has its own unique considerations, and all of them are useful to those who understand how they can be used.  If you give the defenders what they expect, you can do anything you want with the rest of your unit.  That is the key to small unit leadership.

    Semper Fidelis, John McClain, GySgt, USMC, ret.

  • Given the parameters, it is obvious that getting to this site in the first place is going to be difficult.  It is in a draw on a very obviously heavy trafficked road (at least in daylight). There appears to be at least a dozen vehicles in the parking areas, possibly more meaning this site is more than likely heavily manned and guarded.  Given too that the daylight traffic seems to be if not heavy, at least frequent and over a period of time numerous. How much of that is military or related to the facility is questionable. 

    Clearly, recon is necessary.  Time is no doubt a constraint.  Chances are, given the stated parameters, we have no night vision equipment just eleven troops with not a great deal of ammo.  Sharpshooters are a must so positioning at least four at strategic spots to cover both approaches (in and out by road and also the compound itself is a given. That leaves just seven to get into the building making observation and location of guards and their positions paramount. 

    Because our ammo shortage is desperate and we have only two explosive charges we must rely mostly on stealth to take out key defensive positions.  This may not be as difficult as one might think.  Our trained troops will know how to do this so doing so using individual fighting weapons without firing unless absolutely necessary will also be necessary.

    Once guard positions are neutralized then movement to the Red Roofed building can be attempted assuming the other outbuildings are also neutralized beforehand.  Recon and observation of the movements for at least twenty four hours will determine the best time of day which given the time of year, would no doubt be in the early morning hours.  Weather will be a factor in determining the ideal time. That would likely be around two to two thirty in the a.m. because perimeter guard points will likely be buttoned up trying to stay warm in the freezing or below early morning hours. Too absent anticipated attacks, it is likely that less than 50% watch will be in effect, more like a 25% watch or less will be in effect. If the main building also is where the enemy is housed, it will be necessary to immobilize the guard force sleeping in those quarters or to so confuse them that they remain ineffective at least for enough time to remove and load sufficient quantities of stores to justify the effort. Given that there will no doubt be vehicles still in the area, those could be used to carry the ammo and stores liberated from the enemy.  Egress from the area at that time would likely be by road and given that the road shown is a well traveled throughway during the day, it is likely much less traveled in the early morning hours.  Going back over the mountains used for ingress to the site is not going to be practical given the loads needed to be carried. There is more, much more but I think you get the drift.  Recon, Marshal assets, issue a 5 point battle plan, place your strategic protection (every Marine a Rifleman) to cover your action, then using the weather and night to best advantage initiate and carry out the plan.

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