This Court Ruling On Terrorism Watch List Should Spell Doom For Red Flag Laws
A federal judge ruled on Wednesday that the so-called “terror watch list,” a list of persons both citizen and non-citizen that now encompasses some 1.9 million names, is unconstitutional. The case involved 23 Muslims who happened to be American citizens. They had been placed on the watch list and their presence their greatly curtailed their ability to travel or to even open a banking account.
“There is no evidence, or contention, that any of these plaintiffs satisfy the definition of a ‘known terrorist,’ ” wrote Trenga, adding that even harmless conduct could result in someone being labeled as a “suspected terrorist” on the watch list.
“An individual’s placement into the [watch list] does not require any evidence that the person engaged in criminal activity, committed a crime, or will commit a crime in the future,” the judge wrote, “and individuals who have been acquitted of a terrorism-related crime may still be listed.”
Now, in fairness to the government, the very fact that CAIR filed the lawsuit indicates that one or more of the 23 might very well be a terrorist sympathizer as CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in two US terrorism trials, it has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas, and has been declared a terrorist organization by at least one nation. That unpleasantness aside, the idea that a US citizen can be, without and real due process, placed on this list and not notified and have limited ways of appealing their inclusion on the list is something that is much more akin to what the left wants to do with Trump supporters than anything common to our form of government.
If this ruling stands, however, it should spell doom for the bizarre concept of “red flag laws” that sprang, Athena-like, from the butt of some gun-grabber. Where the terrorism watch list is based on actual activities that have been validated by law enforcement and intelligence agencies and merely result in inconvenience at border crossings and in a few other instances, the red flag laws permit warnings by relatives, family members, or even random strangers based on a layman’s opinion that a US citizen might, conceivably, possibly, at some point in the future do something bad with a firearm. The result of being placed on a red flag list will result in your property being confiscated, your constitutional right to own a firearm being abridged, and there is no guarantee you will ever again be considered “normal” enough to ever be removed from the list.
My gut feeling is that as we move away from the recent spate of mass shootings that the demand that we “do something” will die down. But if it doesn’t then there is now a basis for a legal challenge to the thoroughly un-American concept of “red flag laws.”
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What happens once the Socialists take all our guns and weapons?
In order to accomplish that feat the Socialists promise people that they will make America "Safe" again, there will be no more mass shootings, no more kids being killed in school massacres. No more "crazy" people going off the rails and shooting up Walmart or some garlic festival.
But anybody with half a brain and just a little bit of common sense can do a little bit of home work and look up what these same Socialists have done throughout history once they managed to disarm a nations' population.
They have done the same thing over and over and over. The results are always the same.
Death and destruction.
If you think I'm exaggerating or just being paranoid then do that little bit of research, read a little bit of history, it's out there and it's easy to find for anyone willing to actually LOOK for it and READ it.
Or you could just simply ask any one of the 150+ MILLION people killed by these Socialists just since 1900, 1930's.
Ask Terry Trussell, I know - you can't because he's dead.
Ask Robert Lavoy Finnicum, I know - you can't because he's dead.
Go ahead - turn in those weapons, surrender all those nasty looking black rifles. You don't need them any more, the Government will protect you.
When someone tells you that just remember, all those people I just listed above, including the 150+ MILLION people, were ALL killed by their own Governments.
And THAT doesn't list the American Indians.
This is not living, especially in the Snow country....These brothers and sisters, live in an un-insulated house with NOTHING TO BLOCK THE WIND OR THE COLD TEMPERATURES !!!
This is pathetic, My God. send these Indians some help. And the government should be ashamed of themselves, they are supposed to help the Indians after the Trail of Tears, and a few other transgretions that I can't name right this minute that the government was supposed to do for the Indians. This is not my idea of help for the American Natives of North America. Sad, Sad, Sad !!!
all i have to say is this
1. WE MUST TEACH OUR KIDS ABOUT AMERICA, THE CONSTITUTION, GOD, AND ALL OUR HISTORY THE SCHOOLS ARE NOT AND THEY ARE UN-DOING AMERICA THAT WAY BY NOT TEACHING OUR CHILDREN ANYTHING BUT TO HATE THIS COUNTRY
2. NOW IS THE TIME TO EMAIL OR WRITE THE WH TELL THE PRES NO RED FLAG LAWS OR UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CKS NONE. THE DEMS ARE GOING TO GO FOR EVERYTHING.
LIB LOONEY TOON LEFT WILL NOT QUIT NOR MUST WE. IF WE LOOSE NOW WE WILL SURELY BE IN THE NEXT CIVIL WR.
I SAW LIFE LIBERTY & LEVIN LAST NIGHT MR EPSTEIN WAS EXPLAINING HOW GOOGLE CAN SWITCH MILLIONS OF VOTES. UNBELIEVABLE.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/google-bias-search-results-trump-clin...
Dr. Robert Epstein: Study claims Google reflected 'very dramatic bias' in 2016 election search results