We can like Rubio and Cruz, and they may serve in any position in the US government "except the office of president of the United States"
No person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States. -Article II, Section 1 of the united States Constitution
Before I begin and before you get angry at me for pointing out what I'm about to point out, I want to ask you to hold that thought and ask yourself why you are not more angry at these representatives for their ignorance and willful ignoring of the law! I have been suspicious of Rep. Trey Gowdy for some time now. Though he often says a lot of good things, the reality is that he has been on several congressional committees, including chairing the Benghazi committee and has brought absolutely no resolve to any of those things. However, today, a video was released challenging Gowdy on the Natural Born Citizenship qualifications of presidential candidate Marco Rubio (and we could also apply the same standard to Ted Cruz). Gowdy's answer was simply treasonous.
Evan Mulch, who is a constituent of Gowdy's, confronted the congressman concerning and first asked if he had read the 28 pages of the 9/11 report that several congressmen are attemp.... Gowdy admitted that he had not read them.
However, it was the follow-up question that generated the ignorance and heat. Mulch asked Gowdy, "When Marco Rubio said that his parents were born in another country, that doesn't make him a natural born citizen, according to the Constitution. What would you say to that?"
"That issue has already been litigated," said Gowdy.
Gowdy then went on to totally distort the idea of what was put to him and asked if John McCain was ineligible, something that has not been a part of being a natural born citizen. In case you miss the dodge there, Rubio's parents were not citizens when he was born in the States. Of course, Rubio is an American citizen, but fails to meet the qualifications that even the founders recognized had to be present to be a natural born citizen.
When Gowdy was asked, "So, we don't need a natural born citizen to be president?"
"It depends on what you mean by that?" he responded.
It depends on what you mean? My goodness, the ignorance is glaring and I will demonstrate just how much shortly, but Gowdy continued to demonstrate his ignorance of the natural born citizen issue.
When Mulch said that we know what the founders meant by it, Gowdy retorted, "No you don't!"
But Mr. Gowdy, we most certainly do know! In fact, we have something called the 1790 Naturalization Act, which clearly defines who a natural born citizen is. And no, it is not just a person born on American soil as the Constitution distinguishes between natural born and "a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution." If all that was required was to be a "citizen," then why the distinction? It was because of what I'm about to show you.
As Publius Huldah has pointed out, the framers were quite familiar with Vattel's Law of Nations. As such, they understood what it meant to be "natural born," though Vattel used the term subject, not citizen. While many have tried to blow off Congress' use of the Law of Nations, Benjamin Franklin wrote a letter to Charles Dumas on December 9, 1775 to thank him for sending three copies of the book and specifically wrote, "… I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations. Accordingly that copy, which I kept, (after depositing one in our own public library here, and sending the other to the College of Massachusetts Bay, as you directed,) has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author…" (2nd para) [boldface added]
So, Congress most definitely was aware of the volume, had high and just esteem for Vattel and continually had it in their hands. Keep in mind that this was all before the Constitution was written in 1787.
In fact, Publius Huldah points out that in the 1916 edition of the Law of Nations published by the Carnegie Endowment, Albert de Lapradelle wrote an introduction which stated that the fathers of independence, "were in accord with the ideas of Vattel," that the found in Vattel "all their maxims of political liberty" and,
"From 1776 to 1783, the more the United States progressed, the greater became Vattel's influence. In 1780 his Law of Nations was a classic, a text book in the universities."
While our founders were originally subjects of Britain, once they won the war for independence, they became citizens, and Vattel was the one who offered that understanding they came to with regard to natural born citizen. Publius Huldah has previously pointed out what the gist of what Vattel penned in Law of Nations, Book I, Ch. XIX, at §§ 212-217, is this:
§ 212: Natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens – it is necessary that they be born of a father who is a citizen. If a person is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
§ 213: Inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are foreigners who are permitted to stay in the country. They are subject to the laws of the country while they reside in it. But they do not participate in all the rights of citizens – they enjoy only the advantages which the law or custom gives them. Their children follow the condition of their fathers – they too are inhabitants.
§ 214: A country may grant to a foreigner the quality of citizen – this is naturalization. In some countries, the sovereign cannot grant to a foreigner all the rights of citizens, such as that of holding public office – this is a regulation of the fundamental law. And in England, merely being born in the country naturalizes the children of a foreigner.
§§ 215, 216 & 217: Children born of citizens in a foreign country, at sea, or while overseas in the service of their country, are "citizens".
So, the founders knew what it meant and we know they knew what it meant. Gowdy is just out to lunch here or is being dishonest. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but there is no excuse for a man in his position to not know this.
Furthermore, the 1790 Naturalization Act, which was written within two years of the Constitution, so there is no doubt that these men had the same definition of those who penned the Constitution, reads:
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least, and making proof to the satisfaction of such Court that he is a person of good character, and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by law to support the Constitution of the United States, which Oath or Affirmation such Court shall administer, and the Clerk of such Court shall record such Application, and the proceedings thereon; and thereupon such person shall be considered as a Citizen of the United States. And the children of such person so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.
Notice that even in this Act, there is a distinction between "citizens," those who are "naturalized" and "natural born citizens." Notice they also understood that men like John McCain (though he is a traitor to his country) would be a natural born citizen, even if he were born outside US soil in Panama. Why? Because his parents were both citizens! There is no doubt that we can know exactly what the Framers had in mind when they wrote "natural born citizen."
Finally, you'll notice Trey Gowdy said, "You're either going to follow the law of the land or you're not."
Exactly right, Mr. Gowdy, but it seems you are so ignorant of what the Constitution means by Natural Born Citizen that you are unable to follow the law, or you are simply willfully not following it, but propping up nothing but anchor babies from all over. After all, if all that is required to be president is for one to be a citizen, every anchor baby ever born should fit Gowdy's sentiments, right?
Rubio's parents were born in Cuba and were not naturalized till after he was born in the States, making him a citizen, but not a natural born citizen (remember the language distinguishing between those two in the Constitution. Cruz's father was born in Cuba and his mother was a US citizen. Remember, that one must be born of parents (plural) who are citizens, but more specifically the father must be a citizen. Cruz held dual citizenship in Canada and the united States until he wanted to throw his hat in the ring for a presidential run.
But notice the other problem here. We are told we are a nation of immigrants. No, we are not. I'm not. My family decades ago may have been, but my parents were citizens, their parents were citizens and I'm a citizen. Furthermore we are natural born citizens. Also, one woman turns and ignorantly claims, "You realize we're all not natural born citizens." Talk about why we are in the place we are at!
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. Hosea 4:6
Indeed, America is being destroyed due to the lack of knowledge of the people. As a final thought, keep in mind that the Bible even teaches that a foreigner should not rule over the people, emphasizing the natural born status.
Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother. Deuteronomy 17:15
Ronald,I read that they hid a change in immigration laws in the Omnibus Spending Bill. That would be like them to pull another sneaky trick on us to further destroy our nation.
If there's "no excuse" for Trey Gowdy's "treasonous remarks,"
why do you "give him the benefit of the doubt?"
Was there any doubt?
To everyone who wants Trump:
No one's perfect, but that's totally our fault. There's not one in Congress who has a 100% voting record,
in favor of Americanist principles within the mandates of the Constitution. If it's not OK for your spouse to cheat 6% of the time, why is it OK for our public servants to do the same to us?
Straight shooting there Clare!
I get so weary of having people bash Trump with the eminent domain law. This is a law he and every other business person has used at their disposal. If you don't like the law...then change it. If anyone thinks voting for ANY of the other candidates will garner us a different scenario than what we have now...I'd like to hear it. We have a 100% chance nothing will change with any of the other candidates....why....because nothing has changed.......we have a 50/50 chance Trump can do some of what he says. Duh! Are we going to be such fools that we won't give the only person who has stepped forward to help us.....a chance? What have we got to lose? Answer? Absolutely NOTHING.
Dear sweet, innocent, Forest Jane,
I am not saying you are wrong about trump, but we cannot be deceived by a friendly bark, or wagging of the tail. We have been bitten by such a animal already. our PINO. He lied, and used deception, he promised all good, but when he was elected, all that changed. He turned out to be just the opposite of what he fooled us into believing he was.
Trump seems sincere, but should he be elected, will it be he who is REALLY the leader, or will he just turn out to be another marionette?. I know he finances his own campaign, I know he uses all his own money, and it appears he cannot be bought. We do not know what actually goes on behind the scenes at the Whitehouse. We do not know for sure, who truly has control of the man in control. Case in point, look what happened to JFK, when he started a boxing match with the money. He was quite mysteriously done away with. I am sure it was very powerful men, behind the death, and cover-up of his murder.
How many supposed Conservatives have we seen, who when they got the power, began to side with the left?. We voted in 2014, as true Conservatives, elected those we trusted to be on our side into office, and took control of both House and Senate, with Republicans, but how many times do we see NObama bowed down to, when the majority are supposed to be on our sides?. We should be able to stop him with the numbers but instead, This Maniacal, Socialist, Muslim, Anti American, anti Judeo-Christian, God and Jesus Christ hating poor representative of the people, still gets his way.
I begin to wonder if there are any we can truly trust to do what we want, and expect of them. I begin to wonder how the power remains on the left, when the numbers are with the Republicans. I begin to wonder if there will even be a election in 2016. I personally believe, especially if it looks as if a Conservative is going to have a good chance to defeat the left, that NObama will find or create a event which will give him the authority to declare Martial Law. If so, there will be no election, and the now President, will truly become our Dictator, and we his subjects. I do not believe by any stretch of the imagination, that he is going to just walk away from the cushy, vacation, golf, open credit card position he has. Or, possibly he will just use his pen, and Executive Action to declare that a 3rd term can be sought. It would not be the first time he has made a end run around the Constitution. To him, our Constitution is a outdated, old document, which needs to be re-written. He ignores his own oath of office, to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies both foreign and domestic. He should be arrested, but if anything is said about him, a person can be arrested, or simply called a racist or Governmental enemy combatant.
Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Clause, but NObama says Christmas could offend some people. PC, and the Race card are his tools
So, all being taken into account, who can we really trust, to represent We the People?. Talk is cheap, and so are lies and deceit. All I can say is for any who are going to vote, and I hope it is 100% of the Conservatives, do your own background checks on any who are possible choices. We sure missed the boat with the demon-N-Chief, so we cannot afford to make the same mistake again. Vote with confidence, and be well informed about who you cast your vote for. Personally, I like Ben Carson, as he has fought his way from the ghettos, to a very prestigious position as the very best Nero Surgeon. I like his ideas, I like his agendas of hope for this Country and People, and I like that he is a 100% Christian. Anyway, for what it is, or is not worth, that is my opinion.
Well stated freedomfighter. I still have questions concerning Dr. Carson's 2nd Amendment position and the issue of federally forced vaccinations, if those could be answered to my satisfaction he may be the only one viable for my vote.
I have no idea if this is accurate or not but it does NOT look good for Carson! On top of which, Carson is in favor of the TPP - he is decidedly mainstream and not strong on the 2nd Amendment, and also in favor of forced vaccinations.
Ben Carson, who two months ago was ahead in the polls, and tying with Donald Trump in Iowa is facing bankruptcy according to leaks. His staff had to cancel events for the retired Neurosurgeon, and now he has sunk to 6% in the new national polls.
Freedomfighter......let's cut to the chase. Much of what you have said...is true....but....you're going over the same old ground. What's done is done....I sure didn't vote for Obama but at this juncture of the game there is no one except Trump that is saying what every American IS saying. It will be business as usual with any of the "career politicians"....I like Cruz but he's a "career" guy and there seems to be a question as to his eligibility. Dr. Carson, I believe, is a good man but he doesn't have the knowledge or the contacts Trump has in the business world. Does Trump have warts....yes he does.....so does the rest of the candidates.....there is no perfect candidate but in life you have to deal with the cards you're given.....we have to choose the lesser of the evils.....or not vote....and....where would that get us?
This Country is headed into the New World Order......it's not the Presidency we should worry about....it's the Congress and Senate.....they could have charged Obama with treason....still could..... if they themselves weren't as corrupt.
I am well researched in the New World Order, Agenda 21, the Illuminati, the Tri Lateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, Cloward/Piven Communist Strategy, the Qur'an, Sharia Law, teqiyya and etc. and etc. I also am well aware what Daniel, Ezekiel and Revelations have to say about the end times. I don't know if we're there yet but if we're not, we're pretty dang close.
I trust Trump. I take him at his word. He's to rich to steal and he's too dumb to lie. When this Country goes down and she's going down....Trump and every business man like him will go down with her. The only people who will stay afloat are the blood suckers....the "career politicians"....those who have siphoned off the blood and sweat of the American people. I've had my belly full of them. I'll give Trump a chance....I'll not be so stupid as to keep doing the same thing over and over....again and again......always expecting a different result.
Actually, I don't believe Trump will be the GOP nominee.....no matter what the American people want..........but...... if he would by some chance make it to the White House...he'll go the way of JFK and Martin Luther King.
At this stage of the game.....the only thing that can help us now is God Almighty and the Military.
YOu can read the Property Rights piece here on PFA at http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/forum/topics/property-rights-and...
The best authority on property rights is Richard L. Epstein and a small book named the "TAKING."