Constitutional Emergency

One of the most discussed and ignored question I’ve read on the groups I’ve joined is what is next? Should we form a third party? Some say join the minority party AKA the GOP along with a few other suggestions. I’ve been thinking about it and here are my 2 cents or is it only worth 1 cent now (inflation is a b*$ch).

First form a third party.

The Benefits: we could start from scratch with a foundation that is sound and free of progressive/moderates that now poison the traditional party of conservatism the GOP and the negative reputation that party has developed with the body politic that makes up both the voting minority in this country and the ignorant majority.

The Detriments: what modern (1945-2009) third party has yet been successful? Lack of name recognition, lack of respect from any of the major media formats (Print, Big Three TV networks, Cable Networks and to a great extent the Internet and Radio). This lack of respect and name recognition makes raising money to pay for even local campaigns difficult. No one takes a third party seriously.

Suggestions to overcome Detriments: Organize and start small and focus on one town/city/county or in RI case the whole state. Put all our effort into these local elections and ignore the national races (Senate, House of Representatives, President ect.) and the state wide executive positions (Governor, Treasurer, AG ect.). Gain power in these locations and establish a reputation. I think the biggest problem the Libertarians have is they are to disorganized and trying to do to much with to little. Pick and win our fights.

Second join the GOP.

The Benefits: Well established name recognition and historical track record of conservatism and historical figures to emulate (Lincoln, Reagan). Access to campaign donor lists ($$$$$$).

The Detriments: Well established name recognition and historical track record of backsliding on conservative principles just to be “liked” by the media and pander to the uniformed electorate. Media bias and successful progressive campaigns to label party as sudo-facist. Just as many of us dislike the GOP as we do the Democratic Party.

Suggestions to overcome Detriments: Take over the GOP using the same suggestions for overcoming the detriments to forming a third party. Take over the town parties first and the state and national will fallow. Start small and take control of the GOP by moving out Progressive and failed old guard career politicians.

Third form a Political Action Comity (PAC) or a standard 527 Group. Some of the groups have already decided to make this transition. Mike of Gods Angels of Freedom also recommended this at least once at the 13 May meeting in Charles Town.

The Benefits: Allows individuals to select specific issues to support based on the groups they choose to join. Each group selects an individual issue or group of similar issues to champion. This would prevent infighting and be an example of voting with our money and memberships in specific groups.

The Detriments: Lack of focus and unity of force. The potential arises that we become disunited and brake into factions. History has shone that movements that are disunited and splintered fail for lack of momentum.

Suggestions to Overcome Detriments: Organized one overall PAC or 527 to act as a unifying umbrella organizations we can all fall under. Then as Mike of Gods Angels of Freedom suggested organize one group for each issue that matters to our movement. The web site for the umbrella organization would have the links to each sub issue group. In this way we would all chose to join the sub groups we wish too.

I would further suggest that the umbrella group set up a mechanism by using the sub groups as the issue experts to rate each candidate in each race base on that candidate’s support of opposition to our movement. Each sub issue group would also be responsible to educating the remainder of the movement on their particular issue. In this way no single person or group would have the reasonability to research every issue. This specialization will improve the quality of information. Then the top five educational pieces from each sub group would be published on the umbrella site. Meetings and protest would be coordinated and scheduled by the umbrella site.

I don’t have all the answers just suggestions. What does every one else think and please publish your thoughts and send them to me and your organizations leaders.

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Mike,

I sense your frustration and can only reflect that probably 99% of the remainder of patriots feel the same way......the fact of the matter is we just don't know how to fix the mess........my position is that we will never get the attention we need until there is a gigantic "patriotic revolt"......and I don't mean guns blazing as a first step........millions of Patriots hitting the streets on a consistent basis...and growing every month until the "political apparatus" crumbles......we need a new start.

Take a look at http://americangrandjury.org/

This is a movement with some action.....does it have tangible teeth? Who knows, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.

The 912 movement is another tangible effort......we need to raise a "massed force" before anything will be done...millions of patriots ready to put "boots on the ground". The 912 March on Washington will be our calling card.......will it be with a whimper, or with the roar of millions of patriots that send a clear message that the socialist/fascist/communist slippery slope must be reversed.......

Talking is one way of communicating.......with the talk comes the requirement and commitment to walk the walk......right now we don't have the national leadership that can draw all of our thousands of patriotic movements into that "massed force".........maybe Glenn Beck will do it with his 912 efforts.......right now he seems like the best hope........particularly with his FOX media slot.........
American Grand Jury is a great organization - I am a foreman in Colorado. The work of the organization has not even begun to be felt. For those that are constitutionally strong - do NOT listen to the elite that state citizen grand juries have no bite - for they have not read nor do they understand the power of the people and exactly how smart and in tune our founders were on human nature.

I encourage all to join - we need more citizens. Get involved today.
Hey Mike, Obama is a pimple on my ass! I've been politicaly active for over 30 years. Trying to hold my elected officials accountable. I've disagreed with the liberals since I was a child. Now all the late comers are concerned because we have a commie in the white house, my fight started long ago as well as many of the others. Americans are just waking up to the horrors they will face. Just remember Americans can not be oppressed by a tryant from another country or this one!
There is a old saying that still proves true today "follow the money" every canidate for office Republican, Demecrat, or a third party requires a lot of money to run for office. The politicians are then "owned" by whoever gives them the most money regardless of their political party so as long as they can sell out to the highest bidder it dosen't matter if we start a third party it will just be taken over, like the other two by money and power. I think we should concentrate on restoring the Constitutional limits that our founding fathers put on big government, and restoring the majority of power back to the States where it was intended to be. If we do this we will be able to hold our representatives, whom ever we elect, feet to the fire because only their local electorate will decide if they continue to represent the people. While we're at it we could indroduce laws restricting any money from outside the area they are attempting to be elected in. I think we should organize support for issues such as the 10th ammendment laws being passed in most states and like bills I think that this would give us more bang for our buck right now and would move us closer to our goal of government once again working for us not against us. It is my opinion that without such laws whoever we send to office is just going to steamrolled or bought out however well intentioned "follow the money".
Time for a reality check.
Take a moment to add up the membership of all the internet conservative sites. We can not make any changes in an election until we can communicate with a large number a American voters. There are millions of people that share our views, but the total membership of all these sites is not in the millions. Our first priority should be to educate and inform the public. We are too few in number to have any political impact. Most of us have joined several of these different groups. What we need to do is stop preaching to the choir and bring this message to the vast number of American voters that will make a difference in elections. While a third party is a beautiful dream, it would take 24-30 million dollars to promote the idea to the average voter in America.

What moves politicians, whether conservative or liberal is public opinion in such numbers that they cannot be ignored. Our resources are limited, our numbers are few and our impact is small. Like it or not, this is the reality we have to deal with at this point in time. In politics, its money, manpower and media that win elections. I know, because I was a district manger for a senatorial election last fall.

I discovered this site in January, since than our state membership has risen to 48. This is the reality that we must face. Until we can communicate with a larger percentage of the American public we will remain a small group of dissatisfied patriots talking only to each other without the ability to raise money, manpower or media.

There are ways of working around a liberal media and forcing them to report stories. In the past I have found ways of communicating with millions of Americans across the United States and forcing the media to cover stories whether they were willing or not. It takes an organized effort to be able to communicate in a country of 350 million people. We need to take our message to the general public. Its only when millions of voices have joined together that Washington pays attention. We need to let some of the good people, left in government, know that the public stand behind them and demands a continuation of constitutional government. We need to start a larger movement then we presently have. We need to light the fire in the hearts of the millions of patriots that are out there. We need to take our case to the public and enlist them in our cause. We can stop the socialistic takeover of our country, but only if we have the will to do all that is necessary. As Colonel Riley has repeated over and over, it will take sacrifices to bring America back to its constitutional form and keep it there.

You can read about the way I found to communicate with millions of Americans here; http://ron8000.blogspot.com/2008/01/journey-across-america.html
I can't say I don't agree. Out side of what you are doing now do you have any other ideas on how to get the messege out?
An umbrella group is needed to help maintain focus. Different groups could help focus on specific issues. The main issue is protecting the Constitution. On the matter of political parties... a third party can not win and will only fragment the conservative vote, remember Ross Perot? Love it or hate it the GOP is the way to go. We need to focus on how the Republicans are voting and bring pressure on those who aren't living up to the conservatives principles our country was founded on. This will take everyone in every state holding their officials accountable by e-mails, phone calls to their offices writing letters to the editors of local papers. WE have to bring attention to this by our actions, calling local TV and radio stations and newspapers. Going all out to support the right candidates. By the way, many of us would make great representatives of the people. This is the real "boots on the ground" effort we have to push. The tea parties are great but we can't overlook what the government is doing every day to plan the next rally in two or three months! Let us not forget one of our greatest Presidents, Ronald Regan, what happened when he brought conservative ideals to the table? America will support a conservative candidate! Republicans need to get a spine and stand up for Americans! If they won't, or are afraid to then we will throw their ass out!!! And I for one have been telling my local officals this for years "we the people" have to hold their feet to the fire!
Has anyone looked at the Constitution party? They seem to be growing and they believe in the Republic and the law of the land.
A third party in the classic sense is doomed to fail. The two parties have a stranglehold on the process.

Check out www.GOOOH.com and the plan to replace all 435 members of the House of Representatives with patriots just like those on this site, perhaps even the very ones participating in this thread. GOOOH (go) solves the four fundamental problems with the current system, and it is a "non-partisan party" that will attract everyone who is not a potlician. The four problems it solves are:
- special interest money
- partisan politics
- career politicians
- lack of accountability.

Take a look and see if the system is for you. Over 135,000 patriots have already done so.
Now as y'all pretty much know we are a little short on the years, possibly decades to build a third party! I am a once Republican myself that has become much more of a Liberitian.

That being said, the Republican party has gone downhill for NOT sticking to it's own principles, OK. That means the party's principles existed and are still there, unfortunately not adhered to. Therefore, I feel it would be in the best interests of our movement and the American Peoples interest, the development time, and so on to "take over" the party that already has (on paper) our interests. The Republican party has been damaged, perhaps NOT as severely as the MSM and the Dumocrats would like us to believe, and I am certain can be be reorganized and rebuilt to a stature of prominence as a Conservative party should have.

Communications has been, and with a MSM so far to the left that they are falling off the edge, will be at a disadvantage in any attempt to get the word out on a grand scale. This is a reality we have to deal with but a third party is going to make that situation considerably harder still to face!! We now have the resources to start getting the word out. An obvious example is right here. The internet Conservative Sites are booming, y'all know that! The Patriotic Resistance alone has well over 43,000 (that is 43 thousand) members, and that is just one site. The membership here is growing with NO end in sight, as well. This is a territory more and more disgruntled folks are looking to everyday because the TV and newspapers are getting just too obvious as well as just plain boring.

As I mentioned the press in the newspaper and their offshoots, magazines, weekly "specials", etc. is going off the edge and I do not mean this as an edge only of their leftist policies. They are on-the-rocks, that edge is so very close right now that with a little more work I firmly believe that we can be extremely instrumental in pushing them over. That alone will give us and other concerns the opportunity to "take over", reorganize, or in so many ways change the face and style of the "modern' reporting and disemination of news. It may even make it possible for the return of the lost art of JOURNALISM! now I fully realize this part will probably be harder than reorganizing the Republican Party it is just one example of the actual power we have as a citizenry when we put our heads and hands to it!

Everybody has a Pac; start as many as you wish.

Peace through Superior Firepower,

TERRY
I do not have a lot of faith in 3rd parties although your ideas are very good. I think we should try to rejuvinate the Republican party with fresh faces and new ideas on top of sticking to our conservative roots. Fiscal responsibility should get people's attention. Also most people have no idea what the government is up to because the MSM does not cover it. We should expose what the democrats are up to, for example, they are trying to disarm a law abiding population. They want government controlled health care similar to England which rations health care. etc.
I too would like a third party but we do not have the time. We must elect as many conservative republicans as we can, get rid of as many RINOs(McCain, Lindsey Graham, Collins, Crist,and few that names escape me)as we can in the 2010 election. This must be our first act as we need to get control of Obama, this will take all our energy. If we send a strong message by replacing Rinos they may get a clue. Special interest is a blight that needs to go but I dont have an answer. Maybe a strong canidate will emerge for the 2012 election, we can hope. I do not think Palin will be it only because the MSM will not let her have a chance, she will be the joke of every late night TV comic. I would love to see her start as a Senator, I think she has a chance there. I just read that Rick Perry (TX) is attending the Bilderberg meeting in Greece this month that bothers me. What we need to do is urge the Congressmen we have now to support RON PAULs Bill 1207 to audit the Fed. They are not part of our government and they need to GO and an audit might do it. He has 165 co-sponsers since the heat has been put on different Representatives. IF WE TAKE BACK THE HOUSE AND SENATE in 2010 we can work on a fresh new party or maybe some cream will come to the top of the Republican Party. We need to let Steele know we will not support moderates.

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